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    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Is that it David? - from your vast storehouse of wisdom you could only found this weak response? You disappoint every time you click that "Post Reply" button.
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    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    God manifestation is everywhere in the record φανερόω, to make apparent, make manifest, make openly known. Ethelbert W. Bullinger, in A critical Lexicon (London: Longmans, Green, & Co., 1908), 479. Let me use a common OT example: In what way can God (Yahweh) name Himself by these men...
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    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    The first line: Incarnation is a term used by theologians to indicate that Jesus, the Son of God, took on human flesh. Not sure where this idea of "took on" came from. Scripture is super clear the HS caused conception in the womb and Jesus was born no different to any new born. It's not...
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    God placed his name in the Angel of His Presence. "Yahweh thy God, He will go over before thee" — Deut 31:3 Yahweh, as ever, would continue to lead the people as "the great Shepherd of Israel" (Psa. 77:20; 78:52-54; 80:1). This would be through the Angel of His presence (Exod 23:20-23; Isa...
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    From James: But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. James 1:14 From Paul: (likely) For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. Heb 4:15 You can...
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    That's correct, Christ is the only Man to have passed through the Heavens (Holy of Holies) to sit at the right hand of the Father on High.
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    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    I dont believe in incarnation but God manifestation which is Biblically based. that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. Not in Nature or Substance but in the same way Jesus and...
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    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    The Trinitarian version of Christ, yes.
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Agree....The Apostle Paul does also: 15:45 So also it is written, “The first man, Adam, became a living person”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 1 Co 15:45. F2F
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Do you have a back story for this statement? Maybe a NT writer quoting an OT passage providing this insight. F2F
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    If Jesus were God, it means his resurrection is NOT the proof, our guarantee of like to follow, we have no mediator and we still owe the wages of our sin. I believe this needs Scriptural support to demonstrate the importance of Christ being truly flesh and blood, who genuinely required...
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    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    Thank @Guestman - Place this here to support your History lesson thankyou Osiris oh-si’ruhs. One of the principal gods of ancient Egypt. According to Egyptian mythology, Osiris’s brother Seth cut up his body and scattered the pieces. Isis, wife of Osiris, assembled his body and restored him to...
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    You see what you want to see and ignore the context. Be paitent and you can be revealed its truth. F2F
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Those resources certainly reveal a troubling history regarding the development of the Trinity. I assume you haven't inquired deeply enough to recognize the deception. F2F
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    @RLT63 if you want more works on the history of the Trinity you only need ask. PM me anytime, as I said I have a lot of works on the Trinity, both for and against. This one is a good read and happy to share it with the thread. F2F
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    The wounds will heal RLT! I have the original PDF of that work in my private library of works on the Trinity. It didn't come with an author.
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    This is astonishing – I can't fathom how you could even write such things. It reveals you know not the Holiness or Righteousness of God. F2F
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    This is not typically a focus for Trinitarians because they don't believe Christ truly came in sinful flesh, a truth clearly taught by the Apostles, since God cannot dwell in what is unclean. Should you give this theme the time it deserves you will eventually draw to truth. F2F
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    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Context is king here Iforrest The Jews had just claimed that Abraham was their father (vs. 39), and in response, Christ affirms His preeminence in God's divine plan by stating, "before Abraham was, I am." He did not say "before Abraham was, I was," as is often misinterpreted. Like modern-day...
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Are you thinking Eternal such as 1 Tim 6:16 who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen. This attribute speaks to God alone being in possession of immortality and it is His to give / distribute...