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The ones I have read, I believe had reached the stage of Illumination, whereby they had the truth revealed about crucifixion with Christ, and had the cleansing to be able to overcome deliberate sin. George Fox reached that stage but recorded in his Journal that there was another higher stage...

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. Two works of God, reconciliation and then later on, salvation. The church believes that it is the reconciliation that saves. This is not the...

Sister, the reformers were refuting the RCC, who followed and still follow the traditions of men and especially since they left the one true catholic church, and threw the baby out with the bathwater and ignored the true early church stance on this issue. (from the orthodoxbridge.com site)...

14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life. This is the water Jesus spoke about, the water He would give, the water that cleanses from all sin. The Holy...

I think it has something to do with the cleansing from sin, to be made pure as well as the work of the Spirit (for the second time).

I will try to find again something I read recently about this.

No. I think the first work of the Spirit was the confirmation of truth that He gives the person who first comes to Christ for forgiveness.

There are 'cradle believers' amongst them yes, but there are also what you call born again's there - many in fact and a lot coming out of Protestantism , in fact in their droves. I do not have extensive experience with them but see many who are true believers who perhaps agree with me...

I don't know. Although they (when I say they I do not know how many) may have some things wrong, it is still far better to join it if the Lord leads than the utterly apostate west where you will not hear about the need to be ES'ed which is number one. There is nothing in their service that is...

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Correct. It is all by faith and while we are yet sinners or in the initial stage of the process of sanctification which is to become complete in this life. Indeed it has a beginning and an end in this life which in the rebellion church denies. But you have contradicted yourself by saying IF we...

It is the opposite, and walking into any Protestant or Catholic Church today will do this. They are the ones teaching the wisdom of man, and it is the Orthodox Church that still holds the teaching of the doctrine of holiness, which has been called theosis since the beginning, and entire...

The Roman church broke away from the early church, by denying the Nicene Creed regarding the Filioque, and putting one man above all others when the early church according to the faith handed down from the saints, had a group of bishops to make decisions.

In the introduction to The Study of Holiness from the Early Church Fathers by J. B. Galloway(Wipf and Stock Publishers, 2014), we read: “If the teachings of the modern holiness movement are correct concerning the doctrine of holiness and the baptism with the Holy Ghost as an experience for the...

I was baptized in the Holy Spirit 35 years ago ie made holy, after coming to Christ 17 years earlier, but it took quite some time for the Lord to teach me as much as I know now, directly. After the baptism, He taught me solidly for three days, but as I said, I slowly gained spiritual...

My 50 years as a Protestant taught me that but I no longer believe it.

Jesus made it clear He was not talking about physical birth. That is a given.

I don't think it is natural birth. If we look at who Nicodemus was, Ruler, Teacher, Rabbi a member of the Sanhedrin the Jewish religious court, he was not only a Pharisee. He saw the miracles Jesus did. He clearly acknowledged Jesus was from God. Was his view like other Pharisees who...

Correct. Like the disciples, born again at Pentecost, the second blessing. The first was when Jesus called and they followed. We are not sold under sin without being bought first. We all or at least most of us, fall from that initial love for our Saviour.