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Everything you say about the Christian being in Christ and one with God is true. However, the church is so corrupt that it tells people that they are there just because they have met with Christ and mentally accept the truth. However, they do not love the Lord their God with their whole heart...

Yes I agree that there is more than one level - three in fact, but there is only one point when the pure heart is given and union with Christ is found and we partake in the nature of Christ in holiness. One point when we become as Adam was before he sinned. But there are steps to that.

Okay I see you are a dispensationist and do not believe in OT saints. Okay I will leave it there.

We have talked about what (Spirit) baptism is and the verse from Peter saying it saves, so I will just end there. Mary would need to be in union with God when she was bringing up the Saviour for all the decisions she would make. Saints in the OT? The Holy Spirit can work without having man as...

Maybe I have not been clear so apologies if so. What I am pointing out is, that the OT speaks of a day when this transformation of man will take place which is meaning more than just the gospel comes. So you are saying that the transformation needs two days not one, one for partial and the...

Well if we need to be entirely sanctified, then Mary above all needed it, so yes. The problem is that, terminology is often misunderstood and the meaning is the same but translated direct from Greek/Hebrew. I am ok so long as I know they mean the same as does deification v holiness. The...

@Lizbeth The following is what I posted previously: We are told in Numbers 11:16-17,24-29, that the Lord, took of the Spirit that was on Him, and put Him onto the 70 elders of Israel, and in Joel 2:23-39 that He will restore the years the locusts have eaten whereby they would know that God was...

@Lizbeth You have not remarked on the verses from the OT which I quoted and which are found along with analogies, throughout scripture that there is 'A Day' where this work of God in the transformation of man is found. You are making it into two Days, and the second one not as important.

I hadn't thought of that before, that Mary was the first member of the church - the invisible church that is. Orthodoxy says that she was entirely sanctified at the Annunciation where the angel of the Lord called her 'full of grace' (not from 'The Immaculate Conception'). But I think it is very...

Yes there is a sort of cleansing when coming to Christ due to meeting with the Holy One. Just being near Him is cleansing but that is not the same as being made holy. It is more a case of being made aware of sin.

1 Peter 3:21: The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now SAVE US (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ: One baptism is salvific, the other is not, it is a symbol. Therefore there is one...

Sis what do you do with this verse: One Lord, one faith, one baptism, Eph 4:5? Yes Spirit baptism is one of fire to burn up the offering I agree. The children of Israel did not go through the water, it was held back.

Sister, the disciples had met with Jesus previously who said 'Follow Me' and they did. They accepted as former Jews that He was who He said He was, but struggled with deep understanding and with sins. They were known as disciples during this time. When Jesus breathed on them, it seems clear to...

Apologies again. This is a suitable day for my reply - the Pentecostal feast day according to the Old Calendar (Julian) used by the Roman Empire and replaced apart from the Orthodoxy Church, (for liturgical purposes). The following is from the daily readings for today. We are told in Numbers...

I believe the soul is the heart and mind of man and the spirit, the part that communicates with the spirit world including the Holy Spirit. But Lizbeth, would you say when baptism of the Spirit occurs? Is this the second blessing?

Lizbeth, before I get into a reply, would you say exactly what the inner man - the new man is? Do you agree that man is spirit soul and body?

I think he was referring to unintentional sins before he was fully sanctified when the battle takes place but which is to cease. Yes I believe that is the revelation when we have given our all to Him. Flesh means more than the body. We are walking in the flesh or the Spirit and there is no...

@Kokyu Well, no, not quite. Good exegesis begins in the immediate context of a verse or passage from which one is most certain to derive the best understanding of the verse or passage. Having obtained from this immediate context a proper understanding of a verse or passage, one may expand to...

@Kokyu Please tell me what you understand the phrase sinless perfection, which I do not ue before we can continue

@Kokyu As we know, good exegesis consists of using the inductive method, in taking many scriptures, and deriving a general conclusion from them. ‘The number, clarity and relevance of those many passages is crucial to the theological conclusions drawn. Building a doctrine on only one or two...