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  1. Hillsage

    Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

    Actually, the last "church" we went to fired my brother a year and a half ago, after being an 'elder' for 20 years. Long story, I won't go in to. Just saying my wife and I went to that church for 30 years; starting with the founding pastor. We quit for 8. Felt led to come back. We did and...
  2. Hillsage

    Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

    I'm so old that a lot of "Brethren" here consider me as pretty sour wine...theologically. Chkl:But that's OK, and it really kind of fits biblically, when they also want to crucify me; and according to the NKJV Jesus got "sour wine" on the cross. hps I held a view from the early 70's that I...
  3. Hillsage

    Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

    You have said a number of intriguing things since I've recently returned to the forum (I'm older than you. :Broadly:) You are making me wonder just exactly what 'general' category you would say you fall in to, concerning 'how to interpret the book of "The Revelation". I have a Zodhiates Hebrew...
  4. Hillsage

    Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

    I don't believe; ""Protevangelium," the first gospel."" (quoting you above), was the first gospel in Gen 3:15. It was the CURSE for breaking the 'first covenant' of 'don't eat of the tree of good and evil'. They Adam/Eve both did eat, and they both lost immortality. IOW they both were going...
  5. Hillsage

    Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

    I will start simply: Hopefully you can return the favor. ROM 2:7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; What's the difference between "Immortality" and "eternal life" in the above verse? Correct. His body and soul were in...
  6. Hillsage

    Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

    The Hebrew word for "taken/took" is SRN 3947 lâqach/ law-kakh'; A primitive root; to take (in the widest variety of applications): - accept, bring, buy, carry away, drawn, fetch, get, infold, X many, mingle, place, receive (-ing), reserve, seize, send for, take (away, -ing, up), use, win. So...
  7. Hillsage

    Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

    You have majored on a minor point above, IN MY OPINION. I deal with the difference in the Greek word used for "receive", which you have not mentioned. The Greek word for "receive" in Heb 11:3 is not DECOMAI, it is LAMBANO. [@lambano] And no one in this 'Faith list' ever had the chance to...
  8. Hillsage

    Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

    MASTERS ?????? Are you talking about His teaching? If so you forgot to add an apostrophe; e.g. MASTER'S teaching. Or are you talking about OTHERS posting here? I gave 3 verses in that post. All agreeing with 'the Master' and His spirit leaving before his last breath. And Him also...
  9. Hillsage

    Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

    Got a verse to support your 'opinion' above? JAM 2:26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, On the cross Jesus FIRST surrendered the Christ spirit unto the Father. LUK 23:46* Then Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, "Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!" And HAVING said...
  10. Hillsage

    Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

    GEN 5:23 Thus all the days of Enoch were three hundred and sixty-five years. You're right 'and he died' is missing. But so is 'what died' and 'what lived on' after those 365 years? I believe the body and the soul of Enoch were in the grave but his spirit was not? The phrase ”he was not“...
  11. Hillsage

    Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

    Not sure why you tagged me above....:contemplate: Actually this thread is moving so fast I'm a bit lost. :Broadly: I can't keep all the chess pieces straight on 'the board'. Oh well, I'll just throw something in here which you may or may not agree with because you mentioned soul sleep. I...
  12. Hillsage

    Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

    AMEN. HEB 11:5 By faith Enoch was TRANSLATED that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. Was not ENOCH a "man"? JOH 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down...
  13. Hillsage

    Is the "free gift" of salvation really free? - Honestly?

    Your opinion. My scriptural opinion; PHI 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved (BRETHREN), as ye have ALWAYS OBEYED, not as in my presence only, but NOW much more in my absence, work out your own SALVATION with fear and trembling. Written to BRETHREN who were already born again saved. Jesus worked out...
  14. Hillsage

    Is the "free gift" of salvation really free? - Honestly?

    I believe His "free gift" cost me nothing to receive. But it cost Jesus His life, to 'give' it to me. :contemplate: Should people be raped into their earthly families? Saw it happen all the time. Especially in our last congregation which had an 'evangelist' instead of a 'pastor' for a leader...
  15. Hillsage

    The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?

    #1. Hell is a word derived (most recently) from the Old English word hel or helle, which appeared around 725 AD to refer to a netherworld of the dead. But before the Old English, it came from the Proto-Germanic *haljō, which meant a "concealed place," and ultimately from the Proto-Indo-European...
  16. Hillsage

    At what point does a believer join the Body of Christ?

    Said the man who was looking in the rear view mirror at those behind, instead of the head on collision in his dirty windshield. I know BILLIONS have ended up in hell, here and now, when they opened their mouths in spiritual ignorance. YLT JAM 3:6* and the tongue {is} a fire, the world of...
  17. Hillsage

    At what point does a believer join the Body of Christ?

    Now God's talking about the pew warmers Jack. You just don't understand the difference between the salvation of your spirit versus the salvation of your soul. You had no more choice in being 'birthed' into your earthly family than you do your heavenly one. JOH 1:12 But as many as received...
  18. Hillsage

    At what point does a believer join the Body of Christ?

    ROM 3:10 as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one; 11 no one understands, no one seeks for God. So many think that the Narrow gate is THEM getting THEMSELVES born again.....that is simply their error. They also say "I found Jesus!" My signature line below is my testimony. <><~~ I...
  19. Hillsage

    Is your faith defined by what you DON'T believe? - The anti-doctrinal stance

    I actually had coffee yesterday with a retired teacher who knew exactly how to do it. So he walked me through it, but unfortunately he still walked a lot faster than me. I told him I would have to play with it last night. But that came and went just like today. So I'm hoping to try again...
  20. Hillsage

    Is your faith defined by what you DON'T believe? - The anti-doctrinal stance

    So does your reading of "FAITH especially NOT from YOURSELVES,....but being..."the gift FROM God"...mean you NOW think the "the gift of God" isn't grace in this verse? I'm still not sure if you mean you have changed your mind, or you haven't. I'm especially interested because, just 3 verses...