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  1. BeforeThereWas

    Was the Cross Always Understood?

    Greetings. The problem with your premises that you used to support your conclusion is that you are also assuming something into the texts what isn't there...namely loss of salvation. Context is king, and the contexts don't appear to support the presence of the salvific injections. BTW
  2. BeforeThereWas

    Was the Cross Always Understood?

    Apart from your putting words in my mouth, I'm still not understanding your issue with all our sins forgiven. Paul himself said that if he does what he would not, it is no longer he who sins, but sin in him. So, please define intentional sin. Where is that line in the sand drawn whereby one...
  3. BeforeThereWas

    Was the Cross Always Understood?

    Whatever... BTW
  4. BeforeThereWas

    Was the Cross Always Understood?

    I'm mystified as to why anyone would think that our eternal salvation on the basis of Paul's Gospel leads to some sort of "license" to sin. Pray tell, when did you or anyone else here ever stop sinning after believing the Gospel? You see, the accusation of "license" is nothing but a poisoning...
  5. BeforeThereWas

    Was the Cross Always Understood?

    Perhaps this will answer that: Mark 9:31-32 31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. 32 But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask...
  6. BeforeThereWas

    Was the Cross Always Understood?

    You really just don't get it, do you? I'm arguing with you and your misapplication of scripture. You keep throwing in lies about what I ever said, and that doe nothing but poison the well of discussion. You don't seem willing to remain honest about what I ever said, which was never about having...
  7. BeforeThereWas

    Was the Cross Always Understood?

    The problem with your use of scripture is in your failure to rightly divide the word of truth. Until you do that, the massive confusions in your use of scripture will only poison the wells of discussion as was added to by your trying to lay a foundation of lies about what I said. BTW
  8. BeforeThereWas

    Was the Cross Always Understood?

    The only "anti" flowing in my thoughts are against the false teachings themselves within the RCC system of theology about such things as the sinlessness of Mary in her birth and allegedly remaining a virgin, et al. The evolution of RCC doctrines through the centuries is testament enough to the...
  9. BeforeThereWas

    Was the Cross Always Understood?

    Look, your tactical application of straw man arguments is not at all effective. Nobody in this forum ever stated that by grace we have license to sin. You really need to get a grip on yourself and converse on a reasonable level that aligns with what has been said. What I spoke of was the EFFECT...
  10. BeforeThereWas

    Was the Cross Always Understood?

    The Messiah was meant only for Israel, not Gentiles. Rightly dividing the word of truth clarifies this to the Bible student. As an Israeli, then, I hope you can understand how strange it is to our ears to see a Gentile laying claim to what was never promised to the world of Gentiles. Have you...
  11. BeforeThereWas

    Was the Cross Always Understood?

    Thanks for proving my point. BTW
  12. BeforeThereWas

    Was the Cross Always Understood?

    Your confusion seems to be along the line of an alleged loss of salvation. That is indeed of the devil. He wants Christians to believe that the Blood of Christ wasn't sufficient, and is therefore in need of our works and self-effort to compete us in His gift of salvation and His bestowed GRACE...
  13. BeforeThereWas

    Was the Cross Always Understood?

    If you would, please explain how you see any difference between qualification-based salvation and works-based salvation? Are you saying that one can lose his or her salvation if not maintained within the subjective confines of qualification? What exactly do you mean when dredging up the term...
  14. BeforeThereWas

    Was the Cross Always Understood?

    Well, if you had anything of substance besides mere antagonistic criticism to prove otherwise, I'm sure you would have presented it. The silence speaks for itself... BTW
  15. BeforeThereWas

    Was the Cross Always Understood?

    What's even more wonderful is the mystery revealed to Paul, in that salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for had Satan known that his push for the crucifixion would have brought salvation directly to the Gentiles, he would not have crucified the Lord of Glory, just as scripture declares. BTW
  16. BeforeThereWas

    Was the Cross Always Understood?

    Well, White also had other problems, such as false prophecy, so her comments and teachings aren't really of any consequence today. BTW
  17. BeforeThereWas

    Was the Cross Always Understood?

    According to the RCC, Jesus is still angry, allegedly needing Mary to calm Him down, as unbelievable as that is... BTW
  18. BeforeThereWas

    KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS

    The failure in much of Evangelicalism to rightly divide the word of truth is itself very telling these days and throughout history. That there is the necessity to rightly divide the word of truth means...there are divisions within truth. Right? That so many miss this most obvious surmising is...
  19. BeforeThereWas

    KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS

    Jesus also taught water baptism as a requirement and to offer up a sacrifice in accordance to the Mosaic Law, none of which applies to us today, as you likely may know. BTW