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  1. Marty fox

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Yes, but I believe that the bible clearly shows them as separate events. For example, one reason is that satan is not mentioned in the battle of Rev 19, and he in thrown into the lake of fire in the battle of rev 20. Rev 20 shows that the beast and the false prophet were thrown into the lake...
  2. Marty fox

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    I do believe that Revelation 20:9 shows literal fire coming down from heaven, but I don't believe that revelation 20:9 is the same events ad Revelation 19:11-21
  3. Marty fox

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    You’re welcome and I don’t believe that the birds are literal but symbolic of the curse of death as humans are supposed to eat birds not the other way around
  4. Marty fox

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    I totally agree with you its not literal, my point was if literal (as many premils believe) which i should of specified, I believe it actually is symbolic which I have posted many times, but I was addressing a premils post. See post #250.
  5. Marty fox

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    How about three judgements one in 70AD, one at the end of our world and the third to each of His enemies when they die. Revelation 19 can't be revelation 20 because revelation 20 has people consumed by fire and revelation 19 has the bodies being eaten by birds Regarding Isiah 24 people and...
  6. Marty fox

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    This was my first post below to your post but you must of missed it Davidpt: said (On the surface it sounds reasonable, but does the text in Zechariah 14 agree? I think not. Because if it did you should be able to show how, for example---and the lord my God shall come, and all the saints with...
  7. Marty fox

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Matthew 27 51 At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and[e] went into the...
  8. Marty fox

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    I didn't comment on that part as I was pointing out what took place in the first century to prove my view although the Lord did come with his saints to the Holy City in the first century in Matthew 27:51-53 How do you see verse Zechariah 14:1-2?
  9. Marty fox

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Post 111 I believe shows the true of Zachariah chapters 12-14
  10. Marty fox

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    The history of the first century confirms my view The shepherd was struck and the sheep scattered They looked on Jesus when He was pierced and mourned The Holy Spirit poured out and cleansed people from their sins Jesus stood on the mount of olives literal Jerusalem was besieged and taken...
  11. Marty fox

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    What I'm trying to show you is that Zechariah 12-14 was set in that day in the first century. These three chapters talk about the literal city and the Holy City the new Jerusalem the church. That how the three chapters make sense. It talks about the events of 70AD and also the protection of...
  12. Marty fox

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Paul in verse 11 shows us that he and we are living in the end age 1 Corinthians 10 Old Testament Examples 10 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3...
  13. Marty fox

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Dave, I have no idea why you are acting like this, all I have ever done was ask you questions, that's all! and you kept avoiding them. Just like your response here, you avoided another question and said a bunch of stuff that I never said and don't even believe. I am not trying to set any trap...
  14. Marty fox

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    I'm not sure why when I just need an answer to my question you confuse everything by rambling on about other things I have never said or even think? Another question when is the end of the age? These simple answerers I'm requesting from you matter to my original explanation to you
  15. Marty fox

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    So the answer to my questions are? You still haven’t answered them and keep rambling on Im trying to clarify my point to you
  16. Marty fox

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    I have no idea what you’re talking about here why do you think God fought the Romans and lost? The Roman army was made up by many concurred nations that’s how they got so large
  17. Marty fox

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    I didn’t read the whole thread I would just like you to answer the questions and then we will see how it’s relevant and I’m not afraid of anything. When did each event happen? It’s shows when “in that day” was
  18. Marty fox

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    How about before I answer any of your questions you actually answer each question I asked you first True Debating isn‘t avoiding questions and then asking questions, how can I possibly debate if you ignore my questions? We have debated many time in the past and I have answered every question...
  19. Marty fox

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    Well, when was "that day" Zechariah 14 10 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit[a] of grace and supplication. They will look on[b] me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for...
  20. Marty fox

    The Conundrum of Zechariah Ch. 14

    The heavenly Jerusalem