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Yes they were saved by grace through faith of a future coming messiah and saviour

Yes I'm not disagreeing with that but the fact is that Christ still had to die to pay for our sins and the verses I posted proves my point. Revelation 12 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”[a] And her child was snatched up to God and to...

Yes they were saved by their faith in a future Messiah and savior, but they were saved by the blood of the Lamb, Jesus had to die and rise. The verse that I provided in my last post to you proves it

Revelation 12 5 She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”[a] And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. 7 6 The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days...

Thanks, but I don't see 70AD as a complete fulfillment I see the cross and resurrection as the full spiritual fulfillment of Christ victory. I do believe that the events of 70AD are a part of revelation but not the entire spiritual fulfillment

Paragraph 1-Yes we do agree on a lot thanks Paragraph 2-Yes I was saying the same thing all of Jesus enemies from the first advent till the end of our world but what about the point that Jesus threatened to come and destroy the ones mentioned in Revelation 2:16? Revelation 2:16 16 Repent...

Missiles and bullets the text shows them on horseback obviously its not literal and the text mentions nothing about the armies firing back

Thank you for your apology but we won't always agree on every topic, yes we can get frustrated but that's what these sites are for debating our views. I don't see the latter part of Revelation 19 as the second coming but a symbolic vision of Jesus destroying all of His enemies since the first...

How about the two parables about the landowners and the kings' son's wedding? Do you not see that's what apostate Israel did to Jesus and then what God did in return to apostate Israel?

You don't need to respect a persons position to respect the person

You know I love a good bible debate, but it should be done in respect and brotherly love not with sarcastic disrespectful comments like this.

How does it clearly show Jesus descending out of heaven to the earth when it doesn’t even say that? In other events in revelation it does actually say descending Out of heaven Descending is omitted for a reason Revelation 9 1 The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had...

Coming of the clouds was a symbolic sign of judgement God does do those things Rev 17 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to...

I didn’t say that it does

Yes I know its a symbolic judgement coming that's my whole point

No my point is that its not literal but that Jesus word saves and condemns and defeats His enemies

But it says all people "and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”" they are separated from the armies in the text. The clue is that its not a literal battle as the only weapon mentioned is the sword of Jeus mouth which is His word which is all powerful and all He needs just...

No I'm saying that wasn't the second coming

But it says all people "and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”" they are separated from the armies in the text. The clue is that its not a literal battle as the only weapon mentioned is the sword of Jeus mouth which is His word which is all powerful and all He needs just...

The true Israel is spiritual Israel the faithful before and after the cross