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    No future hope for Israel in the Bible

    And that I have to read later when I find the time, thank you.
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    No future hope for Israel in the Bible

    Of course, descendants of Jacob/Israel were there before Moses, for a period of time, who then went into Egypt. But what the Mosaic Covenant did was to create out of those families a distinct nation. Israel was Gods nation and people, and because of that God gave them a land and laws that would...
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    No future hope for Israel in the Bible

    You dont say it, you do it. How can I answer my own question if I do not know the meaning of a "physical nation"? I can answer the question if America is a nation, yes it is. But the physical nation definition is still up to you. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation Can't find anything on...
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    No future hope for Israel in the Bible

    This statement is, biblically speaking, untenable. You're trying to deal with this fact as if it's a small detail (Israel has it all, just no covenant), whereas in the Bible God dealt with Israel only because it actually was his covenant-people. There is no nation state of Israel without God...
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    No future hope for Israel in the Bible

    You said "physical nation". What does that even mean? My whole point is (call it what you wish, physical or whatever), the nation state of Israel of today is no re-establishment of the nation state of Israel of old. This would only be the case if you re-establish the Old Covenant, on which that...
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    No future hope for Israel in the Bible

    @TribulationSigns You always say that "they have so many things in common, just no covenant", but this covenant is the very thing that defined the nation state of Israel in the first place. No Old Covenant = no re-established nation state of Israel. If you want to re-establish the old nation...
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    No future hope for Israel in the Bible

    But how can you say it was re-established if it wasn't, by your own admission, re-established? It was, by your own admission, established, not re-established. The Israel you read about in the Bible was a nation created and based/grounded on the Mosaic Covenant which God made, through Moses...
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    No future hope for Israel in the Bible

    Well, every Christian has a nation he belongs to. And Peter just happened to write to his own countrymen in the diaspora, the Jews. Verse 7 of the passage reads: "So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe..." They are believers in Christ, jewish Christians...
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    No future hope for Israel in the Bible

    Sadly, it is. Just happened again a few days ago, if you want to watch the debate between Michael Brown and Steve Gregg.
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    Israel and the Gentiles

    The text doesn't say that.
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    No future hope for Israel in the Bible

    And no, that's probably not true. Second Peter seems to have the same audience. He writes, in his second letter, Chapter 3, Verse 1: This is now the second letter that I am writing to you, beloved.
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    No future hope for Israel in the Bible

    How does this rebuke me saying that they are Christians? You seem to operate under the assumption that Jew and Christian are opposite terms. But this is not the case, in the Bible. Paul himself was a Jew, yet a Christian. It just means he was a blood-relative of Abraham, who happened to believe...
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    No future hope for Israel in the Bible

    Let me quickly demolish this craziness: But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is...
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    No future hope for Israel in the Bible

    We are that offspring to whom belong the inheritance. The promises made to Abraham are for us. But that's what the Jews in Jesus time applied to themselves, and they were reproved for it by John the Baptist and Jesus: And do not presume to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father,’ for...
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    No future hope for Israel in the Bible

    I am not sure how this is relevant to the debate. Maybe you can elaborate. Pauls promise is the promise of inheritance. He says this promise has been given to Abraham and his offspring (which is Christ) long before the law did come; proving by it, that the inheritance has never been by adherence...
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    No future hope for Israel in the Bible

    Certainly not the Zionist-"Israel" of today. When God in the Bible speaks of Israel, it is to be understood in His terms. So it has to be a covenant people. So if it is, in this passage (or any else), speaking about the Israel of the Old Testament, then this prophecy has already been fulfilled...
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    Can the Bible contain mistakes?

    "All Scripture is breathed out by God (theopneustos) and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work." (2 Tim 3,16-17) No ones argues that God didn't use men in writing down the very...
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    Biblical Cosmology

    Hello, According to the Bible: 1. Daylight is not the result and effect of the sun, but it is an immediate creation of God. 2. The moon does give its own light. 3. There are waters all around and above us. This is how I read the Scriptures. Prove me wrong, with the Bible. Kind regards...
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    Matthew 24:30 may have a significant mistranslation

    Oh no, sorry I misread. But the great city in Revelation 11 is definitely Jerusalem.
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    No future hope for Israel in the Bible

    True, but moreover, it cannot be involved in any fulfillment concerning „Israel“, because Israel, as defined in the Bible, was a nation based on a covenant with God, the Old Covenant. And you yourself say, that it is not connected with God. But this covenant is exactly what created and defined...