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  1. atpollard

    Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

    What verse are you speaking of? Jerome translated the Greek and Hebrew into Latin for the Vulgate bible. If you mean John 3:5, then here it is in several translations: [John 3:5 NKJV] Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter...
  2. atpollard

    Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

    Respectfully, I disagree. We are “born from above” by ”water and the spirit” and per John 3, this is a work of the Holy Spirit. That makes “water” an ORDINANCE (something commanded for obedience - a symbolic remembrance) rather than a SACRAMENT (an action that conveys supernatural power). A...
  3. atpollard

    Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

    That is a great quote. :vgood:
  4. atpollard

    Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

    I don't require ANYONE to hold to my beliefs (except the core Gospel stuff, like Jesus is God ... start with the Jehovah's Witness denying the Trinity and I become less polite because then, you are not a "brother"). [Romans 10:9-10] I like to follow the motto of the Moravian Church: "In...
  5. atpollard

    Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

    Tread carefully around me ... I am one of those MEAN CALVINISTS :) (and a Credobaptist to boot!!) So my Doctrines of Grace or rejection of covenants tend to piss off everyone sooner or later. ;) I am learning not to take it personal. God just has a sense of humor. Romans 14:1-6 [CSB]...
  6. atpollard

    Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

    Since my questions appear to have been too hard to follow, let me break it down for you ... Is it an imperative that Christians stop sinning (living a life characterized by sin, in the flesh)? [YES] Is it required for the unsaved to stop sinning (living a life characterized by sin, in the...
  7. atpollard

    Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

    Ahh, what the heck. I have a bizarre personal story about WATER BAPTISM (mine) that bridges Paedobaptism, Credobaptism, Baptismal Regeneration, and Water vs Spirit Baptism. So here goes: It begins with a fight between Catholic Maternal Grandparents that are DETERMINED that their grandchild...
  8. atpollard

    Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

    He did not say that it is not required. He said it is not a REQUISITE for salvation. Is it required that you stop sinning in order for God to save you? Does that mean that people who are saved should continue sinning? [Why or why not to the above.] Now apply that same thinking to "get...
  9. atpollard

    Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

    read: now, answer your own question about what @Johann believes.
  10. atpollard

    Holliness Theology Vs. The Historical Gospel of Jesus Christ

    The problem in America isn't so much what people don't know; the problem is what people think they know that just ain't so. - Will Rogers
  11. atpollard

    Holliness Theology Vs. The Historical Gospel of Jesus Christ

    I prefer Romans 10:9-10 as a starting point for salvation: Romans 10:9-10 [CSB] If you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. One believes with the heart, resulting in righteousness, and one confesses with the...
  12. atpollard

    Holliness Theology Vs. The Historical Gospel of Jesus Christ

    Most people misstate the beliefs of others, especially the beliefs of the opponents to their position. It is generally better to simply present an "affirmative argument" [ie. state what YOU BELIEVE to be truth] and allow anyone that disagrees to attempt to prove your argument wrong. By...
  13. atpollard

    End times eschatology and the hatred for it

    I less hate the eschatology, than I hate: the endless and pointless bickering over it. the walls of text "explaining" in detail what amounts to complete speculation and scripture-mining when you scratch the surface. the ARROGANCE of the spirits that claim DEFINITIVE knowledge of visions that...
  14. atpollard

    Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

    That is a HARSH way to speak about the Apostle Paul (author of Romans and Ephesians). He built the modern "NT" understanding of Predestination and Election on the foundation of the "OT" teachings and examples.
  15. atpollard

    Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

    Your evasion of the question referencing all of Exodus and Romans 9 noted. You could even have chosen to compare Modern Israel and Egypt if you felt so inclined. Since you are incapable of anything above "scripture pong", here is your "proof text" ... Romans 9:13
  16. atpollard

    Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

    Did God treat the Israelites and Egyptians equally? "I do not think it means what you think it means." - Inigo Montoya
  17. atpollard

    Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit?

    Greetings @St. SteVen , Let's take a shot at the OP. WARNING: I am about to engage in eisegeis. You have been warned that THUS SAYS ARTHUR, and definitely not THUS SAYS THE LORD ... so take with a large grain of salt [and some prayer would not hurt]. I don't think this had anything to do...
  18. atpollard

    Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

    As long as we are on this bunny trail ... it is from the Baptists that America gets the concept of "Separation of Church and State". The Baptists were on the receiving end of state persecution from their founding and made Separation of Church and State a "Baptist Distinctive" in the 1600's. We...
  19. atpollard

    Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

    Respectfully, NOBODY can read the Bible and seriously claim that there is no favoritism with God. Tell that to the Canaanites and the Egyptians ... God's OTHER chosen people. ;)
  20. atpollard

    Do you believe Spirit baptism replaces water baptism?

    This conflates two distinct aspects of God. "God knows everything" points to His omniscience and reflects knowledge of facts. No fact catches God by surprise ... God cannot "learn" something new. [I will discuss that in your second part.] "those he foreknew" refers to PEOPLE rather than facts...