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  1. Wick Stick

    Why Christians not under the Torah

    And Moses seems to know it... yet he still gives them the carnal... in punishment for their misdeeds
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    The deconstructing of the law in the New Testament

    They're both talking about 'those that are within.' Neither is talking about 'those outside.' You've inserted an idea that's not in the text. And you shouldn't read Matt 7 and come away with, "after I fix my beam problem, I can start picking motes." That is the opposite of what is...
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    The deconstructing of the law in the New Testament

    Sure He did. I just quoted it. Moses: "In righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour" Jesus: "Judge not, lest ye be judged"
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    The deconstructing of the law in the New Testament

    Most of us think of THE LAW in terms of observing it ourselves. That's a good thing, because that IS the New Testament application of the Law. The "law on our hearts." But if you read Deuteronomy, that isn't how Moses frames it. Moses predicts that there will be people who transgress the...
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    The deconstructing of the law in the New Testament

    I've actually been studying it recently. That's what leads me to say that it was intended to be punitive. Deuteronomy enumerates a series of blessings and curses on Israel. The blessings are predicated on obedience. The curses on disobedience. Before the book is through, Moses already tells...
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    The deconstructing of the law in the New Testament

    I think it started quite a bit earlier than that. The prophet Jeremiah is already talking about a New Covenant in the 7th century BC. Likewise, the people in Jerusalem had forgotten that the Law even existed until King Josiah re-instated its observance, also in the 7th century BC. My view is...
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    Do we have free will or are we predestined?

    The Bible has rules for testing prophecy, and also for the dissemination of private revelations. Perhaps we should use them?
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    Do we have free will or are we predestined?

    I didn't set out here to blame God, or to exonerate Judas. Judas is indeed responsible for his own actions and choices. Where God is concerned, I find that a plan that requires one person to be lost so that billions can be saved is commendable. Not that it matters much what I think. I'm one...
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    Do we have free will or are we predestined?

    That wasn't where I was going. The prophecy requires one son of perdition to be lost. It doesn't require it to be Judas. But if it hadn't been Judas, it would have been someone else. (Probably Peter, that guy was a hothead) It does say that the devil entered him, so I'm not sure Judas was...
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    Of what value is retribution against humankind to God? - Love your enemies?

    I was channeling a British kid from a TV show. Not sure whereabouts he's from, or whether the accent is even real. Next time let's do Klingon opera. Jonah's gonna need to butch up a bit.
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    Do we have free will or are we predestined?

    As I see it, I'm just repeating what the Bible says: John 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. Perhaps you interpret differently than...
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    Of what value is retribution against humankind to God? - Love your enemies?

    If not metaphor, then what is the device that negates Jonah saying he died? The other fellow suggested hyperbole. So... "I literally died, bruv! Drowned, seaweed all wrapped up round my 'ead! Went right on down to Davy Jones. They locked me up in Hades, but God wasn't havin it, wuz 'ee...
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    Of what value is retribution against humankind to God? - Love your enemies?

    Yes, the book spells out when God is speaking, and when Jonah is speaking, and this chapter is Jonah speaking. That doesn't mean we should dismiss Jonah when he uses 3 different words for the afterlife and tells us he was there, or when he tells us that he drowned, or when he says that he was...
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    Of what value is retribution against humankind to God? - Love your enemies?

    Jonah is a prophet. I read him as a prophet. Our modern notion of poetry - choosing words artfully for the beauty of the combination of sounds - doesn't apply here. Parallelism is used functionally. Part of the purpose is to disambiguate what is being said; not to make it sound pretty.
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    Of what value is retribution against humankind to God? - Love your enemies?

    I've repeated quoted both the text and other verses. Scroll up. They're in blue. They're easy to find. Off by a letter. You know what? I still proved that assertion wrong. If you scroll up, you're find the verses in blue that disprove it. I didn't infer that. That wasn't my argument...
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    Of what value is retribution against humankind to God? - Love your enemies?

    How about תְּהוֹם, and שַׁחַת ? Those are both synonyms for Sheol and they're both in Jonah 2. I agree Sheol isn't Gehenna. It's Hades. Jonah 2 is written in parallelisms, which are pairs of lines whose meanings match. Parallelisms exist to clarify meaning, rather than for artistic...
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    Of what value is retribution against humankind to God? - Love your enemies?

    You said there's no record of the dead crying out. I proved otherwise. Why are you moving the goalposts? Hebrews 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead...
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    Of what value is retribution against humankind to God? - Love your enemies?

    Yes, there are. The Rich Man cries out and wants a drop of water for his tongue, and also to warn his brothers. Able's blood calls out from the ground for vengeance. The souls of the martyrs under the throne in Revelation look forward to God's vengeance on their murderers. Look the word up...
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    Of what value is retribution against humankind to God? - Love your enemies?

    Not even the multiple verses that come directly afterward that talk about him being in hell, and the one that says he was resurrected?
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    If aliens from another world land and we meet them, does that affect your religious beliefs?

    The scale of the US military is ridiculous. For example, The largest air force in the world is the US Air Force. The 2nd largest air force in the world? The US Navy. The 3rd largest air force in the world... that belongs to the US Army. Russia and China come 4th and 5th, and if you combined...