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Those considered the pillars of the church were from the Antiocene School: Sts. Basil the Great (379 AD), Gregory of Nyssa (394 AD), Gregory of Nazianzus (374 AD) and John Chrysostom (407 AD). Then there was the Alexandrine School was founded in 312 AD. St. John Chrysostom, Sts. Clement (150...

It is ironic that, nowhere in scripture does it say that its writings are the only authority for the church. rather it says: So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter. (2 Thessalonians 2:15; RSV) To understand...

"Aren't you doing the same? Am I expected to have a conversation with Adam Clarke instead, @Hepzibah? Do you truly believe I’m incapable of engaging you-or anyone else, for that matter-in an honest discussion?" Yes Johann, I did the same to prove my point, and you even confirmed my suspicions...

Entire sanctification is scriptural and which means being in a condition of submission to Christ whereby He saves us from sin, which the Bible tells us He came to do. I am not walking in entire sanctification before you ask.

I will answer one thing, that is Philippians 3, from the quote by Dave Reid, in the manner it was given, by quoting someone else and not engaging in discussion, which is often your habit Johann, and which others have rightly complained about previously: "Verse 12. Not as though I had already...

Very good Lizbeth, indeed it is walking in the Spirit and once one arrives at this stage, according to all with that testimony, there is a time of instability, of once more trusting in ones own understanding, or not seeing things through spiritual eyes. This goes on for a period till...

This is your view Johann which you are entitled to hold though many have disagreed with it. This is why it is so difficult to have a discussion with those who bring presuppositions to the table. It is indeed a progression as well as an event. It is the end of an ascent, after participation...

From my reading on systemic inflammation in the body, and the testimony of those who have reduced it in their bodies though a clean diet and specific supplements, sleep apnea is one of the things that ceased.

@Johann we have touched on this previously. There has been a dispute amongst theologians on the aorist tense, whereby some, (those who defended entire sanctification) in the west during the Holiness Movement, claimed that it can be used in a completed past sense which I believe is the ECF's...

Well, I would say rather, can partake in His energies, that is, the purification of the Holy Spirit to become closer to Him to know Him more deeply. But we cannot enter into His essence which is far beyond our finite minds. Hmm not familiar with Timothy Ware, as he does not teach the patristic...

I will get back onto this later. I need some rest.

I have read Nee's books, and it seemed to me that he held to, what came to be known as Keswickian (a small town in England) theology. It differs somewhat to the patristic doctrine of Theosis. In Keswick theology, there are two steps, one of justification and then a 'second blessing', which also...

It is the thread starters responsibility to keep it on topic.

You are correct. It is though the Holy Spirit making us holy that we can walk as Christ walked. I have the experience not just the theory.

You have misunderstood the teaching of Theosis by using your western mind and not grasping the difference between God's essence and His energies. EO teaching is that we can share in His energies, that is to say, to become Christlike in our humanity as Adam would have been had he obeyed God. No...

I am not going to explain it Amigo if you don't see it. As Johann said, you made assumptions.

Amigo you were being most insensitive.

@amigo de christo I will be though - just shut up.

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