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Thanks for the reply, but This doesn’t really address how we can determine when God determines a prophecy is fulfilled or yet to be fulfilled. sometimes the NT applies an OT prophecy to Christ in a literal fashion, a 1:1 if you will, like riding on a donkey, or his side was pierced. Sometimes...

I think the point, according to the Peter reference , is that God is outside of time. I don’t think it’s a formula for converting heavenly time. 2,000 years on earth is like 2 days (1000 years as a day) OR 730,000,000 million years (a day as 1,000 years) from Gods perspective. But God can...

5th seal. the first century destruction of Jerusalem fulfills God’s VENGEANCE in regards to all that was written (Luke 21:22) and Jesus charged the first century Pharisees/scribes/religous leaders/etc…with all the righteous blood shed since the foundation of the earth (Matthew 23:35). So the...

Does Jesus, being in heaven, have a different perspective of time than an angel, being in heaven, does? Also, How do you know it’s only been a couple of days in heaven ( assuming you are referring to 1000 years as a day)? Couldn’t it also just as equally have been millions/billions of years...

Indeed, there are verses that speak about Christ fulfilling OT prophecies concerning him (Luke 24:44). There is a verse that state the OT prophets spoke about the apostles’ days (acts 3:24). There is also a verse declaring the destruction of Jerusalem fulfills ALL that is written regarding...

Not quite true. Jesus told John the events of revelation were to “quickly occur” and that the “time was near” in revelation 1. That is not “well into the future”. I think the prophecies of revelation that you could argue were “well into the future” would be those occurring post the “1000...

But different conclusions are often drawn on these descriptions of fulfillment, and oftentimes these differences can be due to factors such as culture, education, geographical location, socio economic, race, religious denomination, etc….. So how can a Christian concretely and objectively...

as Christians, how do we determine when God determines something is fulfilled or yet to be fulfilled?

Does the resurrection of unjust to shame and contempt, from daniel 12, involve any sort of vengeance?

The Roman armies surrounded and sieged Jerusalem in April of 70ad , right around the time of the Passover, when the Jews were pilgrimaging to the city as required by the law. It’s why there were so many jews in Jerusalem at the time of the siege. That’s a historical fact, not me “limiting when...

I never argued that Luke 21 can't mean there is other vengeance. My argument was that the destruction of Jerusalem, as written in Luke 21:20-23, is labeled as "wrath against THIS people" and "the days of VENGEANCE to fulfill all that is written". In other words, the destruction of Jerusalem in...

If we assume interpreting those passages in a hyper-literalistic fashion, then I absolutely agree with you, it would be absurd to claim that Jesus literally, visibily, and bodily descended from heaven in flaming fire and in wrath and vengeance upon the unbelievers that persecuted the...

Do these unbelievers that persecuted the Thessalonians include first century jews?

Historically, it was Passover as to why so many Jews were In Jerusalem during the siege of 70ad. Jesus called this siege by the Roman’s “wrath upon this people” , and “the days of VENGEANCE to fulfill all that is written.” The Jews, who rejected the gospel, and who persecuted the Thessalonians...

Sorry, had some formatting issues. OT practicing Jews had to travel to Jerusalem 3 times a year for required feasts. So I guess I still don’t understand your question, if the unbelieving Jews who persecuted Christians in Thessalonica travelled to Jerusalem for Passover and got stuck there to...

Just to clarify, is your question locational? As in the wrathful vengeance taking place inJerusalem vs Thessalonica?

Just to clarify, is your question locational? As in the wrathful vengeance taking place in Jerusalem vs Thessalonica?

We could even make it stricter. Let’s argue for a minute that Luke 21:22 only refers to OT oracles that pertain solely to vengeance on apostate Israel, and not vengeance against mankind in general, which i think is reasonable. In otherwords, the destruction of Jerusalem and temple in 70ad...

I think we can agree the “all that is written” likely refers to the OT scriptures. But I think many may argue that it only pertains to the vengeance prophesied of in the OT. So, with That being said, if Paul’s prediction of vengeance in 2 Thessalonians 1:8 is related to OT prophecy, well then...

ok, well then you are going beyond my original argument, which was about matthew 24.