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    THE PARABLE OF THE WHEAT AND TARES IS NOT ABOUT US

    Dear Doug, Your understanding of the parable is carnal (outward) and not spiritual. Here is how the Kingdom of Heaven comes to the earth (mankind): Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, the Kingdom of God cometh...
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    Work OUT Your Salvation, not FOR

    Dear Rockerduck, Why is it inconceivable for you to believe that I learned the Early and Latter Rain concept from scripture? What I teach is nothing like what the Pentecostal denomination teaches. The Latter Rain movement comes from what this scripture below teaches about apostate believers...
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    Work OUT Your Salvation, not FOR

    Dear Rockerduck, Scripture contradicts your comments: James 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the farmer waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receives the EARLY and LATTER RAIN. 8 Be ye also patient...
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    Work OUT Your Salvation, not FOR

    Dear Rockerduck, I have shown you many, many scriptures but you just can see and receive what they teach. You are like the blind man who sees men walking as trees. I was like that the first 44 years of my life. Everyone has to pass through their own time of blindness and great tribulation...
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    Work OUT Your Salvation, not FOR

    Dear Rockerduck, I learned about the Early and Latter Rain concept strictly from scripture. As for Christ not mentioning those terms, He does because all of scripture comes from Christ who is God's Word. Here is a scripture in which Christ refers to the Early and Latter Rains in the book of...
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    Work OUT Your Salvation, not FOR

    Dear Rockerduck, The spirit words Early Rain and Latter Rain are used in the farming analogy that Christ uses to teach certain aspects of the pathway to salvation. Hos 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he (Christ) shall...
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    Work OUT Your Salvation, not FOR

    Dear Rockerduck, You are wrong. I do not associate with any apostate church, nor do I teach what they teach. The Pentecostal churches are no different than any other apostate church. They are spiritually blind and are being deceived by Satan. The gospel they preach mixes works with faith...
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    Work OUT Your Salvation, not FOR

    Dear BeforeThereWas, Here is how scripture says Christ's New Covenant truth is taught: John 6:63 ...the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Christ's New Covenant teachings use "spirit" words. Spirit words carry meanings that are different than what man's wisdom...
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    Work OUT Your Salvation, not FOR

    Dear BeforeThereWas, I certainly don't subscribe to the "Charismatic system of interpretation" either. That is not what I presented you. What I presented was what scripture teaches. Apparently you did not read my post carefully or you read into my comments things that I did not say. Consider...
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    Work OUT Your Salvation, not FOR

    Dear BeforeThereWas, You summed up Phi 2:12 by saying "It means to take the fact of your salvation and make it real in your life. It is not saying to work for your salvation". What you stated is true but that is not what Paul is saying in Phi 2:12-13. To understand what Paul is saying to...
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    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    Dear ScottA, Yes, I judge you because we are commanded to judge those within the church who contradict the teachings of Christ. For those who are outside the church, we are not to judge them at this time. 1Cor 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge...
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    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    Dear ScottA, I was aware of the scriptures you were paraphrasing but they do not apply to the Early and Latter Rain concept. That is probably why you did not post those scriptures. You are violating this concept: 1Cor 4:6 Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and...
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    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    Dear ScottA, I have asked you for scripture to support your contention. However, you have provided none. The reason you have provided none is because there is not any. Your belief is nothing more than conjecture and does not come from scripture. When you look at the Early and Latter Rain...
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    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    Dear ScottA, Yes, the natural is the Early Rain which leaves a new babe in Christ carnally minded and spiritually blind. All believers start off following Christ in this way. The Latter Rain (the baptism) is the spiritual and is when a person's spiritual blindness is healed. After it is...
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    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    Dear ScottA, The Early and Latter Rain concept is a teaching on the pathway that Christ causes His Elect to travel to their salvation. Why would you believe that it applies also to "first the Jew and afterward the Greek"? That is an outward understanding of a spiritual teaching. Spiritual...
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    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    Dear ScottA, One more thought: As I mentioned in one of my earlier posts, John 3:5 mentions the Early and Latter Rains concept. To be born again, one must be born of "water" (represents the Early Rain/carnal understanding) and "spirit" (represents the Latter Rain/spiritual understanding). Joe
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    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    Dear ScottA, Yes, the Early and Latter Rains concept is a part of the farming analogy. The farming analogy teaches the pathway to salvation. It is one of many analogies that Christ uses in scripture. The Latter Rain is what makes a person ready for the harvest into the Kingdom of Heaven...
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    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    Dear nedsk, Isn't God's Word your authority? Why would you listen to any man when you have access to the highest authority? Your beliefs should be coming from the scriptures that I have posted. Can't you see that those scriptures contradict your present beliefs? Doesn't that bother you...
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    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    Dear nedsk, I post the scriptures that support my statements and most of those scriptures are not difficult to understand. You simply reject what they teach because it conflicts with your present understanding. You are still preferring the Old Wine over the New Wine as Christ said would be the...
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    WHAT IS THE WATER IN JOHN 3:5?

    Dear nedsk, My posts are long because I support what I believe with scripture. If your truth comes from God's Word, why won't you believe the scriptures that I post? You should think about your answer the next time you pray. Truth is only revealed by Christ and He only reveals it when He...