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As usual you end up with useless comments. The problem here is that you don't have anything to say about monkeys either.

You keep saying this, but the whole discussion has NEVER been about to whom the Bible was written. I already answer that as well. We (I) am trying to discuss one facet of that Bible, a teaching called the Incarnation/atonement/Work of Christ. Howwever you have not added much to the...

Not only nothing explicitly but nothing even inferring the elect. The Father gave Christ ALL THINGS, Col 1:20 which is very explicit what was given to Christ. Nothing about elect. It would have been easy for John to say ELECT, if it were true. Vs 38 even states that who comes to Him is not...

Another example of denying a clear teaching of scripture by simply omitting the text that would deny your whole theory of atonement and election. I know you read John 6:40 Vss 39 is a incarnational verse, It aligns with Col 1:20. God gave all men to Christ by virtue of Christ being born as...

You ignore evidence, clear evidence, undeniable evidence. It just does not fit your personal theory. You are writing about monkeys, while most of us are speaking about what scripture teaches.

Another nonsensical comment on my post. You continually evade the actual content and context. The context is not about non-elect either, just as it is not about elect. It is about what Christ accomplished through His Incarnation. I John 4:14, Heb 2:9, I John 2:2, John 4:42

Irrelevant response. You did not even attempt to answer my questions. As much as you claim scripture teaches limited atonement, you cannot back it up with scripture. All you do is state your opinion with no evidence.

You may not have understood all the evidence and comment to this point that clearly shows limited atonement does not, cannot exist in scripture. It basically denies everything Christ accomplished. So, here are some more texts that clearly shows Limited atonement is denied in scripture. Col...

Scripture itself is not written just for believers. It is for all men to be instructed from the scriptures. The Holy Spirit calls all men to repentance, through the Gospel. That Gospel is taught by Christians to non-christians through the working of the Holy Spirit. Once again, you evade...

I need some clarification. Do you believe in the Christ the NT presents? Do you believe Christ was Incarnated and how do you understand this concept? What is your understanding of the fall? The reason I'm asking is that your theology does not align with what scripture teaches on the above...

You are great at trying to squease a text into your theory of limited atonement. II Cor 5:14-15 is not even directly those you call them, elect. Here is what the verses are addressing. Paul says that we (apostles) judge thus. that if One died for all, then all died; and He died for all, that...

So, you actually have no evidence for your statement regarding Rom 5: 12-19 and I Cor 15:12-22. So when you have nothing you just change contexts so you can make your theory say what you want it to say. Context of Rom 1 has nothing to do with context of Rom 5. So, where is your evidence that...

Those verses have never been about the elect. By not understanding these verses and insisting they are about the elect, you cannot believe in the resurrection. We are in the Lenten period. All about Christ's suffering, death and resurrection. Does Christ's death and resurrection have a role...

The entire Bible is for believers. It is our guide. However there is a lot about unbelievers as well. Now, lets look at I Cor 15:12-22. First it has nothing to do with elect. It has everything to do with Christ's work of redemption, redemption of the world, but here specifically mankind. It is...

You go from bad to worse with your double down on your view. If what you say that only the elect were of Adam, even though it says all men, then all other human beings were not human. Thus the Incarnated Body of Christ was an elect body, differentiated from a non-elect human being. Can...

You are correct on Origin. However, Barnabas in his Epistles speaks of an earthly kingdom of Christ. The historical origins of a view called mellinarianism actually began in Asia Minor with a Gnostic, Cereinthus. He combined teaching of the Ebonites and Gnostic Living in Asia Minor was Papias...

Only by the Apostles through Christ's own teachings and the Holy Spirit. Then we have almost 50 years of putting that Gospel into practice and understanding. That Gospel was given once for all, for all time. It was not given for individual man to add his understanding to it and call it the...

Clearly you have not read the entire line of discussion here. However, Rom 5:12 clearly states that all men became sinners because of the condemnation of death for Adam's sin. So, if all men are sinners, which reinforces Rom 5:6 where Christ died for the ungodly, which is all men, no...

So, the only basis of understanding is what the Holy Spirit gives to you, even though every other person holds to that same view,. Just how do you then determine your understanding is actually of the Holy Spirit. The answer lies in Jude 3.

There were some Church Fathers who held these views but many were declared heritics for these views, Origin, Turtullian, Lactantius, Barnabas that come to mind, plus others. Fortunately, the Church does not derive her understanding from individual men. The Church bases its doctrines from the...