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Bs"d In that case, still the fact remains that he was not in male line a descendant of king David, and therefore disqualified from being the messiah.

Bs"d Amen. That is obvious.

Bs"d Name one country over which he reigns.

Bs"d In that case JC is not in male line a descendant of king David, and therefore he cannot be the messiah.

Bs"d Yes.

Bs"d They are given by God to Israel, and written down in the first five books of the Bible.

Bs"d It is also spelled out there in Matthew that Joseph was not his father: "18 Now the birth of Jesus the Messiah[i] took place in this way. When his mother Mary had been engaged to Joseph, but before they lived together, she was found to be with child from the Holy Spirit. 19 Her husband...

Bs"d By returning to God and His laws, and asking for forgiveness.

Bs"d When you call ripping verses which have no bearing on the messiah whatsoever out of context, mistranslating them, and then calling them "messianic prophecies", then they believed in more. Their believe was even so strong that they made up non-existing verses and presented them as...

Bs"d No. I don't believe it has any value as evidence. When you start ripping Tanach texts which have no bearing on the messiah out of context and start presenting them as "messianic prophecies", or "typology", then you can make anybody you want the messiah, no matter who it is. Here is...

Bs"d We were not talking about typology, we were talking about messianic prophecies. But backtracking from messianic prophecies to typology is already a major step in the right direction.

Bs"d No, I believe that all mankind will crush the heads of snakes. I know I did. It speaks about the messiah in the same way it speaks about Muhammed, David Koresh, Napoleon Bonaparte, and whoever. What it comes down to, that objectively it is not a messianic prophecy. It is just like...

Bs"d Isaiah 7:14 is a text in which Isaiah gives a sign to King Achaz. This also has no bearing on the messiah. Apart from that, it claims a virgin birth, which isn't there. The NT mistranslates Isaiah 7:14, as a virgin getting pregnant, but that is nowhere to be found in that text in...

Bs"d Here we have Psalm 69, good for four "messianic prophecies". Let's now look at Psalm 69 inside: "Those who hate me without a cause are more than the hairs of my head; They are mighty who would destroy me, being my enemies wrongfully; though I have stolen nothing, I still must restore...

Bs"d They can hold that position, but it is based on nothing but wishful thinking. Considering the fact that 2000 years later it is still not done, I don't think we can say that "it is as good as done".

Bs"d The offspring of the woman is all of mankind. To say that that speaks about the messiah is over the top. Maybe it ALSO speaks about the coming messiah, but it surely is not pointing to it. It points to all of mankind. Calling this a messianic prophecy is absurd.

Bs"d You can accept that, but objectively, there is of course no messiah to been seen in Gen 3:15. Nowhere here is spoken about a messiah, nowhere does it speak about a king or a ruler like it does in the genuine messianic prophecies, here is not spoken about a descendant of David or his...

Bs"d "I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will strike your head, and you will strike his heel.’" Gen 3:15 Where is the messiah in this verse?

Bs"d The above is an abbreviation of the Aramaic expression "Ba siata desmaya", and that means: "With the help of Heaven". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Besiyata_Dishmaya

sdgs Bs"d Are you saying that the texts of Frydland are all from rabbinic sources, and not from the Tanach? Well, Daniel 9 speaks about 2 messiahs, but neither was THE messiah. Two messiahs in Daniel 9, and then THE messiah, is already three messiahs. So I'm not of the two messiah...