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  1. Eliyahu613

    Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53?

    Bs"d Can you maybe list some of them here?
  2. Eliyahu613

    Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53?

    Bs"d Wrong. The genealogies are not of JC, but of Joseph, who was not his father. So those genealogies have no bearing on JC. Bs"d Of the two messiahs in Daniel 9, not one them was THE messiah, the final messiah who is going to fulfill the messianic prophecies. Just read the plain text...
  3. Eliyahu613

    Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53?

    Bs"d Daniel 9 speaks about two messiah's but not about THE messiah. For the finer details look here: Daniel 9
  4. Eliyahu613

    Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53?

    Bs"d Never seen those predictions. Where can I find them? King Solomon, the richest man on earth in his days, rode a donkey during his inauguration. Can't say that he was humiliated. I don't believe in a sick and dying messiah. I explain it like this: The cloud lands at the...
  5. Eliyahu613

    Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53?

    Bs"d The messiah is going to be Jewish, and in male line a descendant of king David. In that JC also failed. He had no human father, therefore he was not in male line a descendant of David, therefore he cannot be the messiah.
  6. Eliyahu613

    Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53?

    Bs"d Which one of Daniel?
  7. Eliyahu613

    Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53?

    Bs"d Why are those two advents of the messiah not written in the Tanach? Like I said, the whole messiah subject is not important, it is no big deal in Judaism. What is a big deal, is that you cannot worship anybody but the one and only true God Y-H-W-H who is one.
  8. Eliyahu613

    Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53?

    Bs"d So let's take a closer look at the messianic prophecies claimed by the NT, which are fulfilled by the Christian messiah. Here you can read something about them: NT prophecies When I saw that he had not fulfilled the messianic prophecies, it was over.
  9. Eliyahu613

    The messiah didn't come yet.

    Bs"d Totally correct. Without the expectation of a suffering and dying messiah, that means; without being a Christian, it is impossible for instance, to see the messiah in Isaiah 53. Well, many other animals, also bulls, goats, doves, were sacrificed before the Sanctuary. And to make the...
  10. Eliyahu613

    Reasons Jews Reject Jesus

    Bs"d Don't you think that when more than 99% of the followers of a certain religion go wrong, that maybe there is something fundamentally wrong with that religion? Why is it, you think, that so many Christians go wrong? Could it be that the NT steers them wrong?
  11. Eliyahu613

    Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53?

    Bs"d So he said that his kingdom is not of this world and it wasn't. But the messianic prophecies say that the messiah's kingdom will be from this earth. So he doesn't fit as the messiah that is prophesied by the prophets in the Hebrew Bible.
  12. Eliyahu613

    Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53?

    Bs"d We'll have to see about that. Which messianic prophecies have been fulfilled according to you? I've been raised in the same kind of Christianity, but when I saw the light I converted to orthodox Judaism.
  13. Eliyahu613

    Does religion cause more conflict than it solves?

    Bs"d Did you ever find even one Christian who not only claims to follow the words and commands of JC, but also DOES them? See here what JC himself says about the commandments: “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For...
  14. Eliyahu613

    Reasons Jews Reject Jesus

    Bs"d Congratulations! You are not an idol worshiper! Being wrong about the messiah is not a big deal, I don't think you get whip lashes for it, but idolatry is a grave sin, which carries upon it the death penalty, and also horrible curses. But you realize that more than 99% of the...
  15. Eliyahu613

    Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53?

    Bs"d Wasn't he born in a stable? Not very king-like. And he never was a real king, never ruled over a kingdom. Well, we'll have to see about that. You can believe that, but if it really is going to happen that is up in the air. Yes, that is what all the messianic prophecies say. And...
  16. Eliyahu613

    Reasons Jews Reject Jesus

    Bs"d And who is the God that JC believed in? What is His name?
  17. Eliyahu613

    Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53?

    Bs"d But he was not the Jewish people. The messianic prophecies say that he is going to be a king, or maybe nowadays a president, but anyhow a leader of the Jewish people. And that is also never fulfilled by your messiah.
  18. Eliyahu613

    The messiah didn't come yet.

    Bs"d Not according to this messianic prophecy: Jeremiah 23:5-6; "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. IN HIS DAYS JUDAH SHALL JUDAH SHALL BE SAVED, AND...
  19. Eliyahu613

    The messiah didn't come yet.

    Bs"d That is one of the messianic prophecies which has NOT been fulfilled: Isaiah 11; "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of...
  20. Eliyahu613

    Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53?

    Bs"d Who is the suffering servant in Isaiah 53? Christians say it is the messiah. The Jews say it is the Jewish people. I think that it is obvious that the Jews are right also on this one. What arguments can Christians bring that the suffering servant is the messiah?