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  1. Kokyu

    OSAS from the Gnostics

    This is one of the best and simplest questions to put to those who hold to a saved-and-lost view. Where, exactly, is the line a born-again believer can cross into a no-longer-saved state? I've never had a definitive answer from any saved-and-lost proponent. Because there is none. As you point...
  2. Kokyu

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Why must "fear and trembling" be a reference to the fear of losing one's salvation? Philippians 2:9-13 9 For this reason also, God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus EVERY KNEE WILL BOW, of those who are in heaven and...
  3. Kokyu

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    No. But on what basis does anyone "endure to the end"? On the basis of the power of the indwelling Holy Spirit who imparts to the lost the saving life and persevering power of Jesus Christ. See Romans 8:13; 2 Corinthians 3:18; Philippians 1:6, 2:13; 4:13, Ephesians 3:16; 6:10; 1 Thessalonians...
  4. Kokyu

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    I'm sorry, but I don't have any idea what all this has to do with what I wrote... Acts 16:29-31 29 And he called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas, 30 and after he brought them out, he said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 31 They...
  5. Kokyu

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    I'm afraid this is a very contradictory set of statements. You say no man can obey God's law perfectly as Jesus did, which is true. And you say we need God's grace, as a result, which is also true. But our disobeying God's law is always an expression of rebellion toward God which you say keeps...
  6. Kokyu

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Under the Old Covenant, God required animal sacrifice for sin as a sort of stop-gap measure until Christ's atonement for all sin at Calvary. See Hebrews 7-10:22. So, as I said, there was no grace of the New Covenant kind available to those under the Old Covenant. It's not "my teaching," it's...
  7. Kokyu

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    I think you're mistaken in some of what you wrote. The reasons as to why I've already extensively explained in this thread.
  8. Kokyu

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Yes, walking with God is a choice. I'm not sure what you mean by "works are needed, though. They don't have the power to save anyone, right? This is what Ephesians 2:8-9, 2 Timothy 1:9 and Titus 3:5 all say very explicitly. I agree that my faith is completed through corresponding action, but...
  9. Kokyu

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    If you'll read through my posts in this thread, you'll have my answer to your question, I think.
  10. Kokyu

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    No, I wouldn't describe things this way. God doesn't force me to live as he wants me to. Only as I agree to His transformation of me will He do it. But I give this agreement by my submission to His will and way throughout every day. There is no other dynamic in which I can walk with God except...
  11. Kokyu

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Yes, the natural consequence of being indwelt by the Holy Spirit is the manifestation of his "fruit" (Ga. 5:22-23) in our living. But what is natural is not, therefore, necessary. I will naturally do what God commands me to do as the Spirit is in control of me and enables me to work out his work...
  12. Kokyu

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Again, this is just more unfounded assertion - opinion, actually. There's no concrete proof you've managed to offer that truly shows "subterfuge" in my handling of God's word, only your own prejudiced opinion about the conclusions I've drawn from it. But your opinion doesn't do anything to...
  13. Kokyu

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    And how does any believer "conquer"? How do they overcome the World, the Flesh and the devil? Romans 8:37 37 But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. John 16:33 33 "These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you...
  14. Kokyu

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    That's right. We could say the same thing about going to the barber to get a haircut, or to a car mechanic to get a vehicle fixed, and so on. Our going to these people for their work doesn't do the work itself, right? My barber cuts my hair for me; I don't go to his shop and then cut my hair...
  15. Kokyu

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    No, I made careful explanation of the relevant passages of Scripture. And so far, you've not actually shown any eisegesis on my part, you've only asserted it. But assertion, by itself, proves nothing. No, I'm squarely within the actual text and meaning of Scripture. Your ad hominem here does...
  16. Kokyu

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    Well, simply saying it "makes no sense" does not show that it does. My statement may make no sense to you (as opposed to being actually, objectively nonsensical), but it makes very obvious, good sense to me, which is why I wrote it. Can you explain why you think it "makes no sense" to you...
  17. Kokyu

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    If your good works - or the lack of them - have the power to keep you saved (i.e. - in the Book of Life) or not, then you are the one, in the end, who saves you. It's what you do that secures your salvation, right? This is what you seem to be saying in the quotation above: Jesus saves you but...
  18. Kokyu

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    No, you replied with your erroneous "spin" on God's word. And when I showed that your "spin" was not in keeping with the actual text of Scripture, you've resorted to ad hominem (in which you've indulged again in the quotation above) and unfounded opinion. Your remarks here do nothing to secure...
  19. Kokyu

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    This is, essentially, the ad hominem fallacy. It's what those whose views have collapsed under challenge resort to. Do you actually have any substantive reply to my posts or is school playground rhetoric all you've got left? Just more fallacious ad hominem. Deriding opponents doesn't prove...
  20. Kokyu

    Is it possible to lose salvation?

    This is neither what the "eternal security" crowd does nor is this what is normally meant by "cherry picking." I see you have no well-reasoned, carefully biblical response to my post. 1 Timothy 4:1-3 1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith...