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  1. dad

    Who is Israel?

    Firstly, why would we care? Is there a verse that uses that term relating to the remnant getting saved in the end or..? Right, so the remnant that get saved and restored in the end can be called children of Abraham. Right, the Jews who get killed rather than saved in the end die as...
  2. dad

    Who is Israel?

    Face the facts. That verse said absolutely nothing like you claimed it did. Nor did any other verse people offered here, in fact most of them were spam. Not even touching on the issue of whether God blesses protects and restores nonbelievers to that land! The time of Jacob's trouble is a period...
  3. dad

    The Current War against Iran and Support for Israel is based on Catholic Counter Reformation Theology.

    We know God will never leave or forsake us. His 'sun' will never go down. So what will go down? Sadness etc. What will not go down? The lovely joyful light of God. His blessing. Etc. Not after the remnant are saved. What we should not do is look for or try to apply some interpretation that does...
  4. dad

    The Current War against Iran and Support for Israel is based on Catholic Counter Reformation Theology.

    He pours out on the saved. No other part of the descendants of David. It is not a physical lineage. The bloodline is Jesus! Trying to stick Judas in there shows us that you do not comprehend what you are reading. The only Israel left alive will be the remnant and they get saved. No Judas...
  5. dad

    The Current War against Iran and Support for Israel is based on Catholic Counter Reformation Theology.

    In what way was he? (chapter and verse) Believers. No. He wasn't a believer Sorry. No.
  6. dad

    Who is Israel?

    Well, that won't be around
  7. dad

    The Current War against Iran and Support for Israel is based on Catholic Counter Reformation Theology.

    Says ---who!? Judas is the son of perdition. natural birth and parents mean squat. What makes you call Judas the house of Israel? Right...and..? Yes, all saved are brethren. This is news? I will likely also meet many of them in the earthly promised land on their farm! ha
  8. dad

    The Current War against Iran and Support for Israel is based on Catholic Counter Reformation Theology.

    No, you are saying they will not get that promised land. Be honest AFTER He comes of course. Not before. During the tribulation, even the last part is legit Strawman argument. When He is already here and destroying enemies that is too late. 5 minutes before that - fine and dandy. Your...
  9. dad

    Who is Israel?

    Name one verse where it is then? Ha No, the time is the time of the end and angels pouring wrath etc. No wiggling out of it There is one unique time called that. Unlike any other time. The love of many. Matthew 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax...
  10. dad

    The Current War against Iran and Support for Israel is based on Catholic Counter Reformation Theology.

    Having the promised land ALSO for saved Israel fulfills what God said would happen. You can't wave the promise away. After He returns. What if some got saved when they saw the sign of the son of man in the sky? For whatever reason, it does seem like a fairly last minute thing. Better late than...
  11. dad

    The Current War against Iran and Support for Israel is based on Catholic Counter Reformation Theology.

    That is a title, like Lamb. So if it says the city is for the bride and the Lamb will be in it that means that believers and Jesus will be there.
  12. dad

    Who is Israel?

    I agree for the most part. That word 'Judaism' I am not so sure about though. ( some take it to mean the ten commandments etc)
  13. dad

    Who is Israel?

    Jeremiah 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it. I think most of us know what time this is referring to. NOT 1948! Looks like it is talking about beings restored after the captivity. Not the end time...
  14. dad

    The Current War against Iran and Support for Israel is based on Catholic Counter Reformation Theology.

    Actually, no idea what you are talking about. either we believe He will make all His promises come true -- or not. period. Do you, for example believe He will give the promised land to the saved remnant or not? Unless all the individuals get saved! I never said after. Strawman He is also...
  15. dad

    The Current War against Iran and Support for Israel is based on Catholic Counter Reformation Theology.

    He left his home, so naturally the camping in another country was all new and 'strange'! Of course he desired heaven! That does not mean that that land will not be given to whom God said it would be given. Ha. No. It is quite literal. Specific dimensions, gates, materials, streets, river etc...
  16. dad

    Who is Israel?

    It says they came of of great tribulation and the context of the chapter is the Tribulation time. Connect the dots. The world grows cold. The believers shine more and more to that perfect day! By the time Jesus returns, I assume most believers may have been killed. But the answer is still YES...
  17. dad

    The Current War against Iran and Support for Israel is based on Catholic Counter Reformation Theology.

    You think when it says they will look on Him who they killed, it means Judas!? No. They would be the remnant that believe.
  18. dad

    The Current War against Iran and Support for Israel is based on Catholic Counter Reformation Theology.

    I seems possible that the sun was pictured often as joy in former times. The sun of Zion, if it refers to it's joy, might make better sense Again, if the sun was something like their happiness or joy, then naturally if we say their sun will not go down anymore it just means they will not be...