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  1. Nondenom40

    The Doctrine of Purgatory in Catholic Biblical Perspective

    Full of grace is what catholics everywhere shoehorn into that word. Even the pope that proclaimed her ic; Ineffabilis Deus- Pius #9 1854 "When the Fathers and writers of the Church meditated on the fact that the most Blessed Virgin was, in the name and by order of God himself, proclaimed full...
  2. Nondenom40

    The Doctrine of Purgatory in Catholic Biblical Perspective

    Are you people really this obtuse? Those not redeemed have works that God says are filthy rags. Those redeemed i.e. born again have been created for good works by God. So yes, faith in God, being born again is necessary to do the work of the kingdom which as born again believers we WANT to do...
  3. Nondenom40

    The Doctrine of Purgatory in Catholic Biblical Perspective

    No one is cutting anything out of the bible. James has been addressed ad infinitum. We look at the entire book, you laser focus on one verse. THATS your issue. Heres a challenge. Read the entire book in one setting. Its not long at all. James is dealing with things on our level, person to...
  4. Nondenom40

    The Doctrine of Purgatory in Catholic Biblical Perspective

    You asked a question and I answered but you don't like that verse do you? As a believer we do works because as a new creation we are compelled to do good works. Like an apple tree is compelled to produce apples.
  5. Nondenom40

    The Doctrine of Purgatory in Catholic Biblical Perspective

    Or this woman... Luke 7:50 50 And He said to the woman, Your faith has saved you; go in peace.”
  6. Nondenom40

    The Doctrine of Purgatory in Catholic Biblical Perspective

    Eph 2:10; Titus 2:14...to start.
  7. Nondenom40

    The Doctrine of Purgatory in Catholic Biblical Perspective

    You continue to repeat the same thing offering no proof other than your bolded opinion. I've talked about this about a week ago to someone else and it wasn't addressed, thats fine. So, can you cite a reputable lexical source that agrees with you? In Luke 1:28 the angel says she was favored. In...
  8. Nondenom40

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    The penalty of sin is gone, nailed to the cross. Sin results in a break in fellowship with God but not our eternal destination. We confess and move on. It's called sanctification.
  9. Nondenom40

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    Isa 53:4-10 4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore,And our sorrows He carried;Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,Smitten of God, and afflicted. 5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions,He was crushed for our iniquities;The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him,And by His...
  10. Nondenom40

    Word Study

    That sounds reasonable.
  11. Nondenom40

    Word Study

    Was Jesus being literal when He said that?
  12. Nondenom40

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    Where does Romans 2 say what i bolded? Not adding to Gods word are you?
  13. Nondenom40

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    Gods mercy doesn't overrule Gods justice. He doesn't just look the other way because someone was ignorant of God. Read Romans 1.
  14. Nondenom40

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    Penal substitution isn't a philosophy, its a very basic biblical principal that goes back to the garden. God is just, and the demands law requires is that someone pay for the law being broken. No one has dropped the charges. I think i saw that somewhere else here. God doesn't simply wipe the...
  15. Nondenom40

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    No, i think we've been clear about what this is about. No one has even brought this up. Of course there are consequences for sin in this life. In the next? It depends where you stand. Youre either in Christ or not. Those are your only two choices. No one has objected to this either. Except to...
  16. Nondenom40

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    No offense but but unless you can prove WE atone for our own sin your posts here are confusing. We can't pay our sin debt which is why Jesus was born sinless, lived His perfect life, died and was raised again. "It is finished" means something more than He simply died. Those that go to hell can...
  17. Nondenom40

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    I've never heard of tim keller but the bible is rife with language of hell being real, the lake of fire being real and those that go there it is forever. Rev 20:15 15 And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. NASB The verse i cited...
  18. Nondenom40

    Penal Substitution Theory and the presupposed (eisegesis) definition of מוּסָר in Isaiah 53:5

    Jesus purchased the world back from the devil? Gotta verse for that? The world doesn't belong to the devil, it belongs to God who created it. Jesus' death was not some strategy of the devil, its was Gods plan of redemption for the world. The last thing the devil wanted was to put Jesus to death...