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In Acts 21:21, Were the early Christians physically departing Moses? Were they receiving their immortal bodies 2k years ago? In the Septuagint, Joshua 22:22 and 2 Chronicles 20:19 use apostasia for rebelling against God. Polybius uses it in his "Histories" as political defection. It is...

That is not accurate. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in...

That is misleading. He said, I'd rather be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. Not, death = immediately in heaven. Everyone would rather be absent from this body and rather to be present with Christ. The entire context is about receiving our heavenly tent which believers will...

I don’t know who “you guys are”. I’m responsible for myself, not others. Just as you are responsible for yourself and I don’t include your opinion with every other pre-trib opinion. I would hope you would treat me and others with the same grace. If you believe 2 Thessalonians 2 does indicate...

I don’t see a rapture here. Christ is only mentioning that there will be a time of deception where people follow false Christ. And all that he is saying is don’t be deceived when I come everyone will know it because he will shine like lightning, which is bright over the heavens where everyone...

You didn’t report Jesus’s words, there was no citation. You convey your own opinion. Thank you for your opinion.

Paul refuted immanence in 2 Thess 2. Please take a look at the word enistemi in verse 2. Enistemi is only used in the present or future tense. Never the past. Paul was not telling the Thessalonians that they had missed a rapture/resurrection (past tense). Rather, Paul was telling them Christ...

You quoted 1 Thess 4 and 1 Cor 15. In the first, Paul describes the rapture as an event sometime (not necessarily immediately) after the resurrection. In his letter to the Corinthians, he mentions the same “living” and dead event by saying all will be changed, not just the dead. I don’t see...

Let’s focus 1 thing at a time. It sounds like you’re suggesting 2 raptures. Do you have scripture to support more than 1? For example, Paul, specifically links the Harpazo with the resurrection of the dead. When gives the order of things, he says the dead in Christ rise first. Then we which are...

Thank you for your opinion.

every man should be able to give an account of his beliefs. I’d hope none of us would duck out. I know you will give answers on your beliefs WPM. You are pretty consistent, that’s a good quality. I’d hope we all would even if we have to do it often.

Ok, let’s work on the first part. You believe we are resurrected before the 6th seal, which is before the wrath which begins at the 7th seal. In order for us to be resurrected before the 6th seal, I’d look for a few things. To name a few: 1. A last trumpet as the final trumpet in a series or...

Was he misrepresenting his belief intentionally or was his belief at odds with yours? A lie is intentional deception. Jesus brought out the heart. We cannot see the heart and it’s difficult to see the fruit on a forum.

Before we get into scripture, let’s set the stage to make sure we are talking about the same thing. By saying Pre-Trib, are you saying: 1. Christ resurrects the dead and harpazo’s the living before Rev Ch 5? 2. That the wrath of God on the condemned begins at the first seal? 3. The wrath of God...

If you’re being called a liar, that is wrong as well. My eschatological reasoning is based on the inerrant word of God. I realize that differs from your own belief which you would argue is also based on the Bible. Because My opinion differs doesnt mean I don’t listen and research other...

He (the Light) needs James 1:26 and James 3:8-11 Insults are a result when you’re backed into a corner and having very little rebuttal Why can’t we talk like men? And why bring politics into a religious forum?

39 pages of arguments with little facts. And as a few said, too many personal opinions with doctrines of man rather than posting scripture. You have built up a defense against the truth and it’s impossible for you to see because you enjoy living in untruth. I pray for all the brothers here that...

Why not doing a simple word study on Parousia? Each time it’s used refers to Christ 1 and only second visible coming.

This sounds like Pre Trib: the prophets say unto them, Ye shall not see the sword, neither shall ye have famine; but I will give you assured peace in this place. Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto...

I'd like to mention something I have yet to see anyone post. In Luke 19:12-15, Christ mentions the parable of the ten minas. He says, He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return We all know Christ died, resurrected and ascended...