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Paul already knows Timothy already believed, so your take doesn't fit. The text says doing good deeds is sowing to the spirit, you say that that isn't true. Who should Christians believe?

I see lots of threats in the Bible.

Yet we have the precedent that, with God, a gift that is given must also be possessed. These are two separate things--the gift being given by the Giver, and the gift being possessed by the receiver. Numbers 33:53And you shall take possession of the land and settle in it, for I have given the...

Yeah, I agree with this, but that isn't to say that I understand Christianity, either. I used to do everything I was convicted to do, believing I'd go to hell if I didn't obey, and, once, after I had gone to preach on the corner of the street (I was convicted to do so), God told me I was trying...

Please be more concise. I don't know what you're saying. Ro 7:1 distinguishes Jewish believers as knowing the Law--meaning Paul knows Gentile believers don't know the Law. Yes, they do the Law--this all the more proves Ro 3:31 and 8:4, etc, etc, that being obedient to Grace makes you fulfill...

Not that I think the guy is "accursed", preaching a "false Gospel"--it seems God is with people such as profess things he professes, though I don't understand how--but I also have experienced much ignorance of Scripture, infidelity to Scripture, and seemingly intentional dismissal of Scripture...

I actually agree that the Gospel is in the Torah, and I did discuss it a little, I think (unless that was another, similar, thread), but I still haven't watched the intro video presentation, because I wasn't interacting with it directly, but was interacting with another user who was denying the...

I thought this thread was going to be on the topic of the Gospel being in the Torah; we are doing a really good job of not keeping on topic. I only mention it because threads seem to tend to devolve into the conversation we're having; then, every thread becomes the same conversation...

I'm not sure if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me, because this is basically what I said, yet you seem to want to disagree.

Do you think it is helpful, as long as we're being careful, and nuanced, to consider that Paul also, although he says, "Purge out the old leaven, for you are unleavened" (affirming a "positional", "in Christ", reality), he also warns them, in answer to their unrighteous behavior, sin, "do not be...

We've done an admirable job of veering from the topic of the thread. lol

Yes, we will be transformed by the renewing of our minds--they overcame by the blood of the Lamb, the word of their testimony, and they loved not their lives unto the death (acknowledging and confessing the truth makes us leave the old life behind).

Right, that's what people mean when they say "positional" (not that I use the word, I just use it to relate to those who use it, or who I think use it)--they are in Christ, that is their "position".

Transformed my life, saved from 7 straight years of nightly unspeakably terrifying satanic visitations, so I'm sticking with it, irrespective ANY other opinion.

Well, by "positional righteousness", I mean "what God has made to be true of me since I am [positionally] in Christ".

I have experienced grace, the Son of God destroying the works of the devil, in my life through faith in and boasting in the Cross, so I have to disagree if you disagree--but I think what you disagree with is an empty powerless profession that doesn't yield results but leaves a person buddy-buddy...

Yeah, the self effort makes things even worse (like being under Law), but when you trust God, and tear down the impending fears that you might do something wrong, fighting the good fight of faith, bringing every thought captive to obey Christ, based on what Christ has made you to be already...

@shepherdsword So, also, Paul has (at least) two types of commands : 1. "Account yourself dead to sin" : accounting / belief based on what Christ has done, and 2. "Nothing counts but keeping God's commands", "serve one another" : walk in love toward God and man. This is also what 1 John 3:23...

The Gospel of John?

Extremely mystical and unfathomable.