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I agree that there are no absolutely clear contextual indicators, specifically within 2 Thessalonians, telling us that the temple is either physical or spiritual, like there is in Matthew 24. Additionally, I can’t find any Greek lexicons that strictly define it as either spiritual or physical...

Totally agreed. So let’s stir/muddy the waters for a moment with one I still struggle with - 2 Thessalonians 2:4 - The man of sin sits in the “temple of God”. Are there any clear grammatical, contextual, or lexical indicators WITHIN the letters to the Thessalonians that indicate Paul was...

Agreed. Though, Jesus does not explain the spiritual meaning as to why the physical temple was to fall, in Matthew 24. That can potentially be deduced elsewhere in the Matthew account, such as the parable of the wicked tenants or the parable of the wedding feast

I wasn’t referring to the scripture you quoted. I was referring to your personal interpretation of Matthew 24 - turning the literal temple into a spiritual temple, when there is no lexical, grammatical, or contextual reason to do so. Simply it being your opinion doesn’t mean your opinion is...

Scripture is authoritative. Personal interpretation is not authoritative. 1 Corinthians 10:4 is an authoritative spiritual take on the rock during the time of Moses. Isaiah 40:2 is simply a case of metonymy, which was common in the ancient near east, even outside of the Bible, and is common...

Had to give it a shot @Davidpt . Here’s what ChatGPT said in regards to @Spiritual Israelite ’s question: “It’s not very reasonable to conclude that Luke 21:20–24a is not parallel to Matthew 24:15–22 and Mark 13:14–20, or that only Luke records Jesus’ answer to the disciples’ first question...

How do you know scripture repeatedly uses stone imagery to represent God’s covenant community?

Where is any of this taught in Matthew 24?

Because we all have to negotiate with text, whether we will admit it or not. It just depends what you are willing to negotiate on.

you’ve never explained “how you know” they misunderstood in Matthew 24. you have explained how “you know” they misunderstood in other contexts by providing several fantastic examples with clear textual indicators where either the audience is corrected by Jesus or the the misunderstanding is...

Would the temple have been called the holy place prior to the death of Christ?

Nice attempt to shift the discussion, but this still doesn’t address the central issue YOU brought up I never argued that everything in Matthew 24 must be interpreted with rigid literalism. That’s a position you introduced, not me. YOUR claim is that the disciples misunderstood Jesus in...

So your position is not that Jesus ignored it, but that Matthew ignored it?

Then I would say that your eschatological framework overrides the natural context and the grammar of the Olivet discourse. If you believe you can insert gaps into the 70 weeks prophecy, then you don’t really have a leg to stand wondering how @Spiritual Israelite can insert a gap into the OD...

So is it your position, that Christ simply ignored the first question posed by the disciples and only answered the 2nd question in Matthew 24?

Christian Jews still followed the law of Moses zealously and worshipped in the physical temple. See acts 21. Matthew, written decades after the cross, still referred to the physical city of Jerusalem as the “holy city”. Jesus told them to flee a specific location - Judea. Jesus told them to...

1.) the context of Jesus’ response in the olivet discourse is set up by the question posed by the disciples: the destruction of the PHYSICAL TEMPLE. 2.) the author of Matthew mentions the book of Daniel in regards to the abomination of desolation of the “holy place”. In Daniel, this...

No, my argument is that BECAUSE Matthew consistently marks misunderstanding, through correction, explanation, or even explicit commentary by the author of the gospel, THEN the absence of any such marker in Matthew 24 makes the claim of “misunderstanding” textually unsupported and less likely...

1.) in Matthew 24, Jesus does not introduce a new or symbolic meaning of “holy place.” The author of Matthew explicitly anchors it to “the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel” IN RESPONSE TO THR DISCIPLES QUESTION ABOUT THR DESTRUCTION OF THE TEMPLE. That directs us back to Book of...

Again, how do you know the question was asked out of ignorance? Where is the textual indicator that they asked out of ignorance in the same manner as the wonderful examples as provided by @TribulationSigns ? I honestly have no idea what you are saying here. According to thayers Greek lexicon...