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  1. HappyOma

    When Christ returns, we shall all be changed, including heaven and earth, actually all things are changed out for something better.

    Why do so many pick and choose what they like out of a verse? When the numerous "YEs" are pointed out, they are ignored. You seek to force this passage into OUR future by zeroing on "they," but let me remind you that it still all falls under the time restriction of the "this generation." And...
  2. HappyOma

    When Christ returns, we shall all be changed, including heaven and earth, actually all things are changed out for something better.

    rebuilder, you do not prove your assertions with the Scriptures. Have I not given you amble passages that clearly demonstrate that Jesus Himself placed His return in the generation of those disciples right there with Him? Have I not pointed out with Scripture that the inspired writers believed...
  3. HappyOma

    When Christ returns, we shall all be changed, including heaven and earth, actually all things are changed out for something better.

    Adam and Eve were without sin before they ate of the tree. Right? God warned them that "in the day" that they disobeyed and ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they would DIE and their eyes would be opened to see good and evil. "In the day" applies to both the opening of...
  4. HappyOma

    When Christ returns, we shall all be changed, including heaven and earth, actually all things are changed out for something better.

    "None is so blind as he who will not see." rebuilder, even if He were to come bodily and visibly (which He did not and was not to), the Bible is clear through Jesus' own words that He was to return to those disciples right there with Him. He told them so. The inspired writers told the believers...
  5. HappyOma

    When Christ returns, we shall all be changed, including heaven and earth, actually all things are changed out for something better.

    As I already told you: The emphasis in that passage is not on Christ's body or His visibility. You must understand what His ascension meant to those disciples right there at the time. They were Jews who understood the meaning of "clouds" from their OT writings. We must not approach a book...
  6. HappyOma

    When Christ returns, we shall all be changed, including heaven and earth, actually all things are changed out for something better.

    We must "limit Christ's words," rwb, when Christ Himself does. Jesus spoke specific things to those specific disciples at a specific time about a specific time. Preterists understand this and give honor to HIS words and HIS timing. We don't "attempt to" do this. We do it. Nearly all...
  7. HappyOma

    When Christ returns, we shall all be changed, including heaven and earth, actually all things are changed out for something better.

    It is clear that the phrase "in the day" applied to both their eyes being opened and their dying. When they sinned, their eyes were immediately opened to see good and evil and at that same time--in that same "day"--they DIED. The proof that that "death" involved their no longer being able to be...
  8. HappyOma

    When Christ returns, we shall all be changed, including heaven and earth, actually all things are changed out for something better.

    Just curious, locust. Where are you getting your understanding that "clouds" mean "invisible"? Also, WE were never told to know the signs--those disciples of right there with Jesus and others of that generation were to recognize the signs. Jesus said so in Matthew 24.
  9. HappyOma

    When Christ returns, we shall all be changed, including heaven and earth, actually all things are changed out for something better.

    What What "other events that happened to Israel in the Bible"? How is "israel after the flesh" an "allegory in the Bible"? Could you please clarify. I'm not sure what your meaning is. Thanks.
  10. HappyOma

    When Christ returns, we shall all be changed, including heaven and earth, actually all things are changed out for something better.

    You wrote: "The text of His bodily ascending into heaven doesn't say every eye would seem Him going to heaven. We learn from Scripture that every eye shall see Him descending from heaven when Christ comes again." rwb, you are the one demanding that like manner means bodily and visibly. If like...
  11. HappyOma

    When Christ returns, we shall all be changed, including heaven and earth, actually all things are changed out for something better.

    Matthew 25:31-34 (KJV) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats Jesus...
  12. HappyOma

    When Christ returns, we shall all be changed, including heaven and earth, actually all things are changed out for something better.

    I didn't say the spirit died in the sense that it did not exist--I said they died spiritually in relationship to their fellowship with God. Notice what SCRIPTURE says about "spirit" death: Revelation 3:1 “To the angel of the church in Sardis write: He who has the seven Spirits of God and the...
  13. HappyOma

    When Christ returns, we shall all be changed, including heaven and earth, actually all things are changed out for something better.

    There is no justification for claiming that Jesus was speaking of two different hours in John 5. What is the span of the "hour"? Is this speaking of a literal 60-minute time frame? No. John later wrote, in his first epistle: "It is the LAST hour" (1 John 2:18). Jesus was expressing to His...
  14. HappyOma

    When Christ returns, we shall all be changed, including heaven and earth, actually all things are changed out for something better.

    I am not the one fighting, rwb. They sinned on that ONE day and they died on that ONE day. You are refusing to accept that the day they died and they day their eyes were opened were the very same day! Their eyes were not opened years and years and years later. They were opened "in the day."...
  15. HappyOma

    When Christ returns, we shall all be changed, including heaven and earth, actually all things are changed out for something better.

    Who are the "every eye," rwb? Here we see the "clouds" mentioned in Acts 1:11. THAT was the "like manner" in which He was to return and did return. Among these "every eye" are Caiaphas and the Jewish leadership to whom Jesus said: "YOU will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of...
  16. HappyOma

    When Christ returns, we shall all be changed, including heaven and earth, actually all things are changed out for something better.

    Notice the presence of "a cloud." They beheld as "a cloud received Him out of their sight." The cloud hid Him. Furthermore, what is the "lie manner"? Clearly, every eye did not see Him go. Where were the "ten thousand of His saints (Jude 14) He came back with? Where were the lightning...
  17. HappyOma

    When Christ returns, we shall all be changed, including heaven and earth, actually all things are changed out for something better.

    Where does it say "age/time"? Again, when were Adam's eyes opened? "Within the day (age/time)"? Their eyes were opened "in the day"--immediately. And THAT is the same time frame in which they "died."
  18. HappyOma

    Watching and Preparing

    Randy Kluth said: "You may not have spent enough time in the Scriptures? What I said, whether you agree or not, should be understood as based on one view of Scriptures, if you are a veteran Bible student." Do we have to go there? Do I now have to give my credentials? I have done nothing except...