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The advantage I have found in listening to preachers and teachers of the Word is that I'm still imperfect and need others to apply the Bible to my life. If you are perfect, as you seem to imply, have you considered the following texts to measure whether your claim is correct? 1Th 5:16 Rejoice...

@OreCove, I suggest that you move to West Michigan (Hudsonville) and start attending our church, Chapel-Pointe.org, for a church that is close to the Scriptures, not to traditions. I'm actually kidding about that move. :smiley: However, God has blessed our church abundantly because of its...

So, why are you on this forum if you want to shut off discussion of the topic at hand, @Big Boy Johnson? I will follow your lead and stop trying to discuss it. Why I care is that I'm always interested in finding out why people say what they do. If you don't want to discuss your unfounded...

You are an expert at deflecting someone's suggestions that you don't want to accept, @Big Boy Johnson. So, apparently, you prefer to make accusations without checking out the original sources of the information, except when you suggest that I check out the Bible. Let me tell you, I have read...

@Big Boy Johnson, what lies are you talking about, and how do we avoid them?

Please explain to me, @Ezra, what does that dead-end street look like and how I can avoid it.

Specifically, how does Calvinism lead to hell, @Big Boy Johnson?

"List level"? What is that? We are all sinners, but for true believers among us, we are not dominated by Satan and sins. We have over 5,000 members who attend weekly. What are you asking, and why do you ask it? I measure a church by how closely its teaching and preaching stick to the Bible, not...

@Ezra, what are you saying?

@OreCove, I would enjoy a discussion of the church, but which church would you like to discuss? Please don't generalize about all churches, since my large church doesn't fit your view at all. It's hard for me to deal with such a huge generalization which doesn't any church that I know. One...

I'm afraid that you lose me in your word-salad that uses your reasoning to explain away passages that Calvinists use to demonstrate their ideas. However, you fail to convince me and other Calvinists what is the truth. You just seem to enjoy put us down instead of having a real conversation which...

Why do you make such accusations against Calvinists, @Big Boy Johnson? What Calvinist has ever hurt you that you seem to be consigning them to hell? I suggest that you take one of the Calvinists' doctrines, as you understand it, and tell us why you disagree with it. Then, we can have a calm...

@TigersPaw, you have given us a lot of information to chew on. An excellent analysis!

The website is growingtoknowGod.com, and thank you, @Ritajanice! May God bless you too!

You talk as if "doctrine" is a bad word to be shunned. However, if doctrine is internalized because it's biblical and true to the Word of God and a vital part of one's motivation for life in Christ, doctrine is good.

Here is my suggestion to you, @Big Boy Johnson. Get ahold of the Institutes of the Christian Religion by Calvin, read it all the way through, and then revise your summary of Calvinism in the first paragraph of your post to become more accurate. For example, I don't know what you mean by the...

I'm always concerned with bridging the battle lines with loving, biblical truth to benefit readers and listeners. They don't have to be battle lines if we respect one another. My religious upbringing came from a Christian mother, a pragmatic unbelieving father, Methodist, liberal/neoorthodox...

In Matthew 8, Jesus is talking about the coming of his kingdom, when all the people who thought that they will be part of it will lose out, and Gentiles like the Roman centurion will enter it. In chapter 13, it is Jesus' explanation of the Parables of the Weeds and the Wheat and the Fishing Net...

What "sort of monster"? No "monster," but our just Judge. If we spend our whole lives rejecting or ignoring God, he has every right as our God of justice to let us have our own way without him throughout eternity. After all, he created us to honor him. If we don't, he lets us have "outer...

@St. SteVen, why do you use such a negative word "extortion" for the consequence of refusing the free gift of salvation. Who nowadays "threatens" such a consequence for such refusal? Why are you so angry at the "church"? How has the "church" hurt you? Please answer one or all my questions. In...