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  1. Bruce-Leiter

    Question for Premils (Amils welcome to answer): How many times are the dead judged?

    And I believe, @IndianaRob, that we will receive that heavenly house, our resurrection body, at Jesus' one second coming, when he will bring our souls back with him to resurrect us who have died and those who are still alive with our perfect resurrection bodies. We will all meet Jesus in the air...
  2. Bruce-Leiter

    Question for Premils (Amils welcome to answer): How many times are the dead judged?

    @WPM, first, no one knows who you are talking to, because you haven't put their "name" with an @ before it to direct it to them. Second, I don't know what you are calling a heresy; I learned in seminary that there are five major interpretations for Revelation. They are just differences in...
  3. Bruce-Leiter

    Question for Premils (Amils welcome to answer): How many times are the dead judged?

    @grafted branch, Those dead Christians' souls will return with Jesus: 1Th 4:14 For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. The Thessalonians are concerned about their loved ones who have died since Paul...
  4. Bruce-Leiter

    Question for Premils (Amils welcome to answer): How many times are the dead judged?

    @TribulationSigns, Our souls won't be naked in heaven, because God will clothe us until our bodily resurrection, if we have died before Jesus' second coming: Rev 6:9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the...
  5. Bruce-Leiter

    Question for Premils (Amils welcome to answer): How many times are the dead judged?

    @Zao is life, you lay out your case well, and I agree with you. I believe that that judgment happens at the same time when Jesus appears in the air with the souls of believers who have died, we rise to meet him in the air after being given our resurrection bodies, he burns off this decaying...
  6. Bruce-Leiter

    Of what value is retribution against humankind to God? - Love your enemies?

    @Wick Stick, please read your Bible. The majority of the Pharisees are hypocrites, which means unbelieving actors. How do I know? The majority of the Pharisees reject Jesus and send him to his death. Yes, Matthew 5-7 are for the disciples and you and me, because Matthew 5:1 at the beginning of...
  7. Bruce-Leiter

    Of what value is retribution against humankind to God? - Love your enemies?

    @Wick Stick, the passage you quote merely says that unbelievers' "rewards" will happen only in this life, not during the next one. However, any rewards we get after we are saved in this life and the next are by God's grace anyway, because we never "deserve" any blessing from God, who lavishes...
  8. Bruce-Leiter

    Of what value is retribution against humankind to God? - Love your enemies?

    Haven't you ever read in the Scriptures that God is our just Judge? He is love, but he's also justice. Since he is holy (separate from sin) and since his creation rebelled against his rule in their lives, he must punish them because of his perfect justice. However, since he is love, he saves a...
  9. Bruce-Leiter

    Was the Transfiguration a vision, or an actual appearance of Moses and Elijah?

    Peter's own testimony in 2 Peter 1:16-18 shows that it was a real, miraculous event in which Jesus shows his divine brightness in God's glory cloud: 2Pe 1:16 For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were...
  10. Bruce-Leiter

    Does God care more for himself than he cares for us?

    Hi, @Behold, I might have responded similarly on a different forum, but Paul admitted to being imperfect in Philippians 3: Php 3:8 Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count...
  11. Bruce-Leiter

    Does God care more for himself than he cares for us?

    @St. SteVen, I don't think God does anything with "great difficulty," because that implies that he has human characteristics, when he doesn't.
  12. Bruce-Leiter

    Does God care more for himself than he cares for us?

    I'm on both sides of the line, because God is BOTH a just Judge who must punish sin AND a loving Father. If he were only loving, there would be no need for Jesus to suffer and die for us to take our punishment on himself in our place. Your first characterization of God is wrong. It isn't "with...
  13. Bruce-Leiter

    Rejecting Christ, or rejecting "Christianity"? (the church) ???

    @marks, I mean that it's inside of people who want to hold onto the credit for their decisions in following Christ rather than giving God all the credit for their salvation and sanctification. That's not at all how I feel. God saved me from being a Pharisee as a child and teenager to his willing...
  14. Bruce-Leiter

    Black and white as it appears?

    God saved me through a mainly-intellectual pursuit of the Bible's truth and the historical fact of Jesus' resurrection, which he used to convince me of the Bible's inspiration. Then, when I decided to "run away" from his call to be a pastor, he made me an English teacher and then a sales...
  15. Bruce-Leiter

    Rejecting Christ, or rejecting "Christianity"? (the church) ???

    Yeah, @Carl Emerson, there seems to be inside of people the desire to be proud of our coming to believe in Jesus, whereas the Bible takes 100% of that pride away.
  16. Bruce-Leiter

    Rejecting Christ, or rejecting "Christianity"? (the church) ???

    @Behold, you say that we were born with faith and free will. So, do you believe that every baby would trust in Jesus as the way to the Father regardless of the child's environment?? It may be faith in parents and other adults to take care of them, but we are really born with self-centeredness...
  17. Bruce-Leiter

    Rejecting Christ, or rejecting "Christianity"? (the church) ???

    What is "OUR FAITH," @Behold? Is it not God's gift to us, since we were dead to him before he gave it to us? You say, "Any teaching that does not agree with Paul's Gospel, that is "justification by faith" to all who : BELIEVE.........and changes this to....."God predestines all this".. "God...
  18. Bruce-Leiter

    Rejecting Christ, or rejecting "Christianity"? (the church) ???

    Why do you characterize John Calvin's interpretations of the Bible as "Satanic," "core rot," "bewitching," "deception," and "demonic power"? Why do you use such loaded, emotional words to describe a different interpretation from yours? Tell me so that I can understand your extremely emotional...
  19. Bruce-Leiter

    Rightly Dividing Calvinism

    Show me exactly in the Bible where the fact that "God created man in his image" reveals that man has "free will." Not one of the following verses makes that connection, @Big Boy Johnson. Rom_8:29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order...
  20. Bruce-Leiter

    Why am I not a Christian?

    Yes, the blood of Jesus washes away the GUILT of our sins in the eyes of our divine Judge, but the presence of sin remains to be slowly overcome through Jesus' death and resurrection. That's what justification means, that our heavenly Judge gives the verdict of "not-guilty" and right with him...