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We are at an impasse because you restate things which are not found in the Bible. The rapture by definition is the "catching up." The Bible does not say anyone is caught up in 1 Cor 15 even though you believe that they are. What more can be said? The Bible says that the change is the...

Beasts are world empires with power to kill anyone, 100%. There were 4. 1 - Babylon, 2 - Media-Persia, 3 - Greece, 4 - Rome Heads are beasts plus derivitives of beasts that rule Israel. There have been 6 heads. 1 - Babylon, 2 - Media-Persia, 3 - Greece, 4 - Ptolemy, 5 - Seleucus, 6 - Rome. The...

wooohooo! Israel is blinded until the end of that 70th week. AC reigns for the 2nd half of that week, 42 months. The fullness of the gentiles comes in during the 2nd half of that week as stated in Rev 7:9-14 9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all...

The 7th trumpet comes from an angel. The last trump is the voice of God the Father, just as the trump of 1 Thes 4 is the voice of God the Father. Therefore, the 7th trump and the last trump are different. Rev 1:10-11 10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice...

A government leader tries to take over the world through war. War brings famine and pestilence. Death from the government leader, war, famine, and pestilence, is limited to 25% of the population. No government leader has had the ability to bring death to more than 25% of the world population in...

I believe there is a millennium between the trump (voice) of God in 1 Thes and the last trump (voice) of God in 1 Cor. Do you have any evidence that the rapture will be invisible? 1 Thes 4:16-17 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel...

I agree. The great multitude died and went to heaven. Death is the means by which they came out of the great tribulation. There were 3 festivals that all Jewish males were supposed to attend, Passover, Pentecost, and Tabernacles. Jesus was the firstfruits of Passover. Christians are the...

The 4 living creatures and the 24 elders sing songs 1 and 2 below: Song 1 Rev 4:11 " Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created." This song reflects the fact that mankind was originally saved...

I agree with this, but in war there are casualties on both sides. In order to kill those who refuse to bow, AC is willing to sacrifice his whole army. Mankind would be wiped out without God's intervention. I agree that it will take some time to put up this image of the beast, but why do you say...

Matt 24:30 "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." I am going to brush my teeth and then I am going to go to bed. This is a...

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. 4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth. 5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their...

Just 2 different symbols for the same thing. Jesus is the Lion and the Lamb does not mean there are 2 Jesus's.

The sign of the son of man is the death, resurrection, and ascension of the 2 witnesses. When heaven opens, these 2 witnesses are seen in heaven from earth as the 144,000 in Rev 14:1-5. Jesus' return is pictured later in Rev 14:14. The sign of the son of man is not the same thing as the 2nd...

And yet here I am showing the errors of this theory you follow which has only led to confusion. Why can't those killed at the 5th seal be raptured? How can you state that those seen in Rev 7:9-16 can only be Pre Trib/Pre 70th week when the text says they came out of the Great Tribulation. They...

Rev 8:5 "And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake." Rev 4:5 "And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of...

It appears we are at an impasse. I have given all the reasons that this point of view is erroneous. Thanks for the discussion.

I agree, but I don't really know what we will look like. We will shine like the stars of heaven. Please show me where the rapture is mentioned in 1 Cor 15 and where Jesus comes in secret 7 years before his second coming. I agree. 1 Thes contains the 'trump of God.' 1 Cor contains the 'last...

I got your point. My point is that no generation has died at a rate greater than 25% specifically as the result of a conqueror, through war, famine and pestilence. The remaining 75% of any generation has died from other causes. I agree that the seals follow the pattern of the Olivet Discourse...

Jesus was seen. The 2 witnesses will be seen. The change from mortal to immortal is not the rapture. I do not have your comfort level. It shows 'hereafter' doesn't have to jump to some point in the distant future as most believe. All that I have on this is that the tabernacle in Exodus was...

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