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Jesus received the Revelation before passing it along. The Revelation was passed down from the Father to the Son, through an angel to John to us. ...from Jesus Christ, which God gave him... as pictured in Rev 5. ...from Jesus Christ...to show his servants...

Although the first song was spoken and not sung, it was still the first song. I have heard arguments that all of the songs of the heavenly host were spoken and not sung. Do you claim a different first song?

"The spirit returns to God at death" has only been true since Jesus ascended back into heaven after his death. The spirit of OT saints waited in hades. They did "return unto God who gave it" after Jesus returned unto God. Jesus did go to the Father after death, but not immediately. John 12:40...

Great post. Thanks for the kind words. I like the duality. I plan to retire from regular full-time work in March and hope to use my time teaching people about the return of Jesus.

Thank you.

The 2 songs in Rev 4 and Rev 5 are sung by the elders in heaven. It is only after Jesus' ascension that the redeemed are seen in heaven and not in hades. The song in Rev 15 is sung by the redeemed in heaven who were transferred from hades and identified initially with Moses. It is also sung by...

How do you then explain Matt 12:40? "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth." This seems to be the popular point of view. I believe it is the time Jesus ascended into heaven and was...

I believe the 1st song shows that people all over the earth can come to a relationship with God through creation as explained in Psalm 19 and Romans 1:18-23. In that sense, I think it still exists. Your point is well taken about limited blessings. Romans 1 18 For the wrath of God is revealed...

John 20:11-17 11 But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre, 12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain. 13 And they say unto her, Woman, why...

I think the whole of the Revelation has fit into that guessing category for almost 2,000 years. All guesses are acceptable although conclusions are regularly rejected. I believe that this is how the Holy Spirit will lead us to the truth. Although I'm hesitant to bring up these 2 other songs...

My moniker comes from my belief that chapters 6-19 of the Revelation contain 6 separate stories that end at the time of Jesus' return to earth, just as the 4 Gospels are 4 separate stories that end with the death and resurrection of Jesus. My views are available on YouTube at WTEW Bible Studies...

I like it! What and when are the victories?

In my last thread, "When did Jesus receive the Revelation scroll/book?" the thief on the cross went to Paradise with Jesus on the day that Jesus descended into hell. Even the Paradise created for man was not with God at that time, which would be consistent with the sin curse of man inflicting...

1st Song Rev 4:9-11 9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever, 10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the...

Oops, now EWQ's post is back. I hope I answered it for everyone.

I was unable to respond for a little while, but EWQ's post disappeared. My final statement here for any who are interested in this topic confirms without doubt that paradise was in hell at the time Jesus died. John 14:2-3 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have...

I don't understand the confusion. Abraham and the rich man had a conversation. How do you propose that happened? Neither Barnes or Gill seem to have a problem with my interpretation. 1 Peter 3:18 "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to...

What happens when you die? Your body goes into the ground and decays. Your spirit is separated from your body. At different times, the spirit went to different places. John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."...

Jesus fulfilled the law by becoming our sacrifice for sin as shown in Revelation 5 and Hebrews 9. Hebrews 9 23 It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ...

Thanks dad!