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    Can any of you link or share a good argument against FULL preterism?

    Correction: Full Preterists do NOT teach a bodily return of Christ in AD 70 to the Mount of Olives, (as the prophet Zechariah predicted during that siege period for Judah and Jerusalem). Most of the FP believe Christ Jesus abandoned His glorified body as He ascended to heaven in Acts 1, and...
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    Can any of you link or share a good argument against FULL preterism?

    Christ said the "days of vengeance" would come on the nation of Judea and Jerusalem in particular - not on the saints. The saints left Judea and Jerusalem in AD 66 in obedience to Christ's warning to flee to the mountains when they saw Jerusalem surrounded by armies. They didn't experience...
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    Can any of you link or share a good argument against FULL preterism?

    In this the Full Preterists are not correct. It was not a "spiritual" coming of Christ in AD 70. It was Christ's bodily return in AD 70 to the Mount of Olives location, just as Zechariah 14:4-5 had predicted. The OT and the NT are both replete with proof that this happened back in the first...
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    Can any of you link or share a good argument against FULL preterism?

    Nonsense. Look at the "open gates" of the NHNE reality with the New Jerusalem in Rev. 21-22, with Christ giving the clear evangelistic invitation in Rev. 22:17, saying, "Let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely." Clearly, evangelism is still...
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    Can any of you link or share a good argument against FULL preterism?

    That was a different John entirely who was serving in the church post-AD 70. I believe this "John" was the young man "John surnamed Mark" (sister's son to Barnabas) who was commended by Paul for his work in the ministry. He was NOT the same as the writer of the Apocalypse: namely, a prophet...
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    Can any of you link or share a good argument against FULL preterism?

    All the Twelve disciples had physically died or had been martyred by the time AD 70's bodily resurrection occurred. They were all "raptured" to heaven with the returning Christ at that time. So no, Christ did not break His promise to them. Paul the Apostle to the Gentiles longed to be part...
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    Can any of you link or share a good argument against FULL preterism?

    The New Heavens and the New Earth are not the period on the end of the sentence of human history. They are a semi-colon in the middle of the sentence. Those who don't realize the blessings of the NHNE conditions we currently live under today in the promised growth of the kingdom of God in this...
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    Can any of you link or share a good argument against FULL preterism?

    No, these present conditions of the New Heavens and New Earth are not the same as the old. You are presuming that "every tear has been dried" means no more conditions in the entire world which would cause someone to weep. That idea forgets the context in which this sorrowful weeping would...
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    Can any of you link or share a good argument against FULL preterism?

    Your "guarantee" of this link putting an end to preterism is a mere assumption. I found this Dallas Theological Seminary dissertation as full of holes as Swiss cheese - no disparagement to my favorite cheese intended. To be equally impartial, I also find Dr. Kenneth Gentry's dissertation to...
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    Can any of you link or share a good argument against FULL preterism?

    The Scriptures themselves tell us which prophecies were fulfilled and which were not. Daniel was told to "seal up" the prophecies he was given until "the time of the end" (Dan. 12:4 & 9) which was going to be the "latter days" of Israel as a people (Dan. 10:14) when the power of that holy...
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    IS THE RAPTURE FOUND IN THE OLD TESTAMENT?

    I would like to hear your explanation of how Elijah could be in heaven in God's presence and still be writing that 2 Chron 21:12 letter to King Jehoram some 10 years or so after his whirlwind transport. There is more than one heaven. There is the atmospheric heaven of the skies surrounding...
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    IS THE RAPTURE FOUND IN THE OLD TESTAMENT?

    You should look a little more carefully at the context of these prophecies. These conditions found in Isiah 11:6-7 would be taking place "In that day that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left from Assyrian, and from Egypt...
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    IS THE RAPTURE FOUND IN THE OLD TESTAMENT?

    Christ does not have to be bodily ON the earth to be ruling OVER the earth. He presently "rules in the midst of His enemies", as God said He would do in Psalms 110:2. All believers who have bowed the knee to Christ our Savior and Lord are evidence that Christ's kingdom rule is ongoing on...
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    IS THE RAPTURE FOUND IN THE OLD TESTAMENT?

    Enoch was translated so that he didn't die physically, but Elijah died just as any other man is appointed to do. Neither man ascended to heaven to be in God's presence in the OT. Elijah was only taken by the whirlwind to another place on earth, from which place almost ten years later he wrote...
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    Every rapture position is new

    Correction: NO, I never wrote that Enoch was allowed access to heaven and God's presence. NOBODY - not even Enoch - was allowed to do that before Christ did this on His resurrection-day ascension, when He became our consecrated Great High Priest. Until humanity had a representative High...
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    Every rapture position is new

    I told you that I was quoting verbatim from Brenton's Septuagint. Exactly. No alterations from what that version states. It says twice that Elijah was taken "AS IT WERE into heaven". Remember, in this Brenton's Septuagint, this Elijah account is found in IV Kings 2:1 and 11. Perhaps you are...
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    Every rapture position is new

    Please don't misquote me. I never wrote that Elijah was "translated" to another location on earth. I wrote that Elijah was taken by the whirlwind into the skies (which is the first "heaven" of this earth's atmosphere - as opposed to the third heaven where God dwells). I wrote that he was...
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    Every rapture position is new

    I am not ignoring John 8:51. I am putting it alongside the rest of the Scriptures, with which it MUST reconcile. "And so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned" is pretty clear that all mankind must pass through the physical death process as a result of sin, since "there is not a...
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    Every rapture position is new

    The Hebrews 9:27-28 text is speaking of the physical death process which Christ experienced ONCE only. All mankind is appointed to experience the same "ONCE to die" physical death process, just like Christ did. Those who are the elect of God are given eternal life of the spirit while in this...