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  1. keithr

    On the pre-existence of Jesus

    I didn't claim I had done an exhaustive search for all verses that implied Jesus' pre-existence. I just quoted a few verses. A more obvious verse is Colossians 1:16 (WEB): (16) For by him all things were created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether...
  2. keithr

    On the pre-existence of Jesus

    How about the following? Philippians 2:5-11 (WEB): (5) Have this in your mind, which was also in Christ Jesus, (6) who, existing in the form of God, didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped, (7) but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of...
  3. keithr

    On the pre-existence of Jesus

    The Bible used by Jesus and the Apostles was mostly the Septuagint (a Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament.). From What Bible Did Jesus Use?: Jesus and the Apostles: studied, memorized, used, quoted, and read most often from the Bible of their day, the Septuagint. Since Matthew wrote...
  4. keithr

    Jesus' God

    Thank you for pointing that out, but you might have made a slight mistake (or have a poor translation?). It doesn't say "of the Great Council", it says "of great counsel" - quite different. He's not a messenger of a group of peope named the Great Council, he is a messenger who is able to give...
  5. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    How does demons believing that "God is one" or "there is one God" imply that they believe in a Triune God? Have you been so brainwashed that you that you can't see how absurd such statements are?! You're trying to force the Scripture to fit your belief rather, than force your belief to fit the...
  6. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Note that most modern translations (including literal translations such as the YLT) translate James 2:19 as saying "You believe that God is one", not as "You believe that there is one God". Note also Galatians 3:16-20 (WEB): (16) Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his offspring. He...
  7. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Or maybe it is you who has fallen for the lies of the deciever (Satan), and so you can't see the truth? 1 John 2:22 (22) Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the Antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son. By denying that Jesus is an individual living...
  8. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    I don't know why you keep repeating that - it does not in any way imply, let alone prove, that God is more than one living being. It is just God (one being) talking to at least one other being. You cannot deduce that there were three beings involved in the discussion. The names of three men...
  9. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Only the Father is referred to as God in verse 2. In the next verse it says: (3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, Ephesians 1:3 (3)...
  10. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Yes. All Christians have the same heavenly calling - Hebrews 3:1 (WEB): (1) Therefore, holy brothers, partakers of a heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Jesus; 1 John 3:2 (WEB): (2) Beloved, now we are children of God, and it is not yet revealed what we...
  11. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Here's another verse that is contrary to the Trinity doctrine: Hebrews 9:24 (WEB): (24) For Christ hasn’t entered into holy places made with hands, which are representations of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; Hebrews 9:24 (ASV): (24) For Christ...
  12. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    See this post for an alternative interpretation of John 1:1-5. Here's a snippet from it: As Jesus said in John 14:10, “the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works”. John says “the word was with [pros] God” because the word...
  13. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    REB: In the beginning the Word already was. The Word was in God's presence, and what God was, the Word was.
  14. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Of course. Colossians 1:16 says: (16) For by him all things were created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and for him. God created all things - Hebrews...
  15. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Yes, God gives us His son Jesus, who God anointed to be our redeemer and saviour, and Jesus will be the king/governer over God's Kingdom, on earth and in heaven. Jesus is indeed a mighty god, for God has given Jesus all power and authority to rule over His Kingdom - Matthew 28:18 (WEB): (18)...
  16. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    What is? The Trinity doctrine? It's a very poor explanation of a possibility that God's Word does not teach! Not disregarding the Scriptures, you should believe as Jesus taught, that our heavenly Father is the only true God: John 17:3 (WEB): (3) This is eternal life, that they should know...
  17. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Here's an extract from 'The Doctrine of the TRINITY... Mystery or Confusion?'. Whence, Then, The Trinity? Where did this doctrine come from? When did it come? For what Reason? How did it take hold? Probably it developed as an overzealous response to the vital gnostic heresies which began to...
  18. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    God and Jesus are not one in the sense of being one God, one person, one in substance, etc.. Jesus meant that they were in one accord, with the same aims and desires, working for the same thing; they were united in purpose. It does not prove that "one plus one equals one", nor that that 'one...
  19. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    I say God, the Father. The NT Peshitta translates it as: 17. Therefore do not be stupid, but understanding what the will of God is. 18. Neither be drunk with wine in which is debauchery, but be filled with The Spirit. 19. But speak to yourselves in Psalms and hymns and songs of The Spirit; be...
  20. keithr

    THE Trinity can Now be discussed.

    Right , like in this verse - Song of Solomon 6:9 (KJV): (9) My dove, my undefiled is but one [echad]; she is the only one [echad] of her mother, she is the choice one of her that bare her. The daughters saw her, and blessed her; yea, the queens and the concubines, and they praised her. The...