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In time believers are raised up with Christ SPIRITUALLY because the Kingdom of God NOW is a spiritual and not a physical kingdom. But Christ will come again in the same manner He departed, clothed in human, though immortal, flesh. And we who are now spiritually with Him in the Kingdom of God...

Then tell me how John can hear "a great voice of much people in heaven" if not after the cross and resurrection of Christ? Why are they saying "Alleluia; salvation, and glory, and honor, and power. unto the Lord our God"? How can there be much people in heaven BEFORE Christ made atonement for...

Prove cherubim are angels or an angel of God from the Word of God! You would do well if you begin with how 'cherub' is defined from the Hebrew language. There is not a single verse in Scripture that applies this definition to an angel or messenger of God. I did however find where Cherub is...

You clearly don't know the history of Tyre! God used this city assuring its prosperity, wealth and beauty that the Holy Temple through the abundant materials King Hiram possessed and gave to support King David, that Solomon would be well equipped to build the Holy Temple. Including the place...

It wasn't always, because they could not have been the city of greatness they had become if not from the providence of God. It was through the wealth of Tyre that David accumulated materials and Solomon built the Holy Temple of God. Saying they were once faithful to God in the sense that they...

Christ comes to each one in his own order SPIRITUALLY as man hears the gospel of the Kingdom of God proclaimed and spiritually enters into the Kingdom of God when they are born again. But the hour is coming in which ALL who are in the graves and saints who are still alive at His coming will be...

The battles we read of are all of the same nature that is the spiritual battle being waged between the forces of good and the forces of evil. When the saints return with Christ at the end of this age it shall not be to battle, but to be changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to...

Unfortunately too much becomes overwhelming, so trying to be brief often requires more than one reply. Otherwise few are interested in reading a book in these forums. We, as physical mortal humans are in this world. But the Kingdom of God being within us resides within the spirit of man, not...

Let me re-state! I believe and have been arguing the part of the vision of Christ in heaven with "much people" is fulfilled. But the battle John envisions being waged is on-going still and won't be finished until the end of this age of time.

If I had the slightest idea of what you're talking about perhaps I could set the record straight??? I never said it was all fulfilled, I said only that the cross and resurrection and Him ascending to heaven with the saints of Old is fulfilled. The final victory over the whole earth will not be...

No, I did not! I have repeatedly now said that Christ's victory over sin and death was fulfilled at the cross, and that why John writes of a celebration in heaven taking place when Christ ascended there with His Old Covenant faithful saints. Then I said John is shown a vision of all that has...

In Rev 19 John is shown a vision of heaven after Christ's cross and resurrection. He hears a "great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God". Because Christ was victorious over sin and death all the faithful saints of...

I can't help it if you aren't carefully reading my replies. One more time I believe chapter 19 of the Revelation of Jesus Christ depicts not only the beginning as well as the close of this age of time (a thousand years) when the seventh/last trumpet begins to sound, and depicts all that has...

How can you say its false if you don't know what it is? Christ has already come with the Kingdom of God; however, the Kingdom of God shall not be complete before the last one to be saved has been born again! Already but not yet, get it? You can honestly say you don't believe this is being...

Yes, I believe this is a depiction of Satan's little season after time given this earth, symbolized a thousand years expires. After his little season when this heaven and earth have fled away, ALL the DEAD shall be called before the GWTJ to give account according to all that is written in the...

What I'm talking about is how fulfillment is happening NOW since the advent of Christ but will not be complete until the last/seventh trumpet begins to sound. Many refer to this as "already, but not yet" understanding of Scripture. That is not the message I intended to portray. My apologies...

The number of passages that premillennialists think come after Christ's second coming, MUST, MUST, MUST be SPIRITUALLY discerned!!! It only appears to conflict with amillennialism because premills try to force physical fulfillment upon MANY of the prophecies of Old.

I believe the gates of heaven that saints might enter in was opened once Christ came to make atonement for sin and defeat death. IMO Rev 19 is showing us all that has come and is coming to pass as the gospel of the Kingdom of God has been sent unto all the nations of the world. We know that...

Both WPM and SI will never reply to what is actually said. Instead, they put their spin on replies they don't like, and twist what is said to make it appear you & I believe that Satan doesn't exist. They've both shown themselves unworthy of the truth. This is very well thought out and...

David, I'm Amillennial but I don't believe Rev 19 is future. IMO vss. 1-10 symbolically depict a vision John is shown of heaven after Christ came to earth a man, and through His cross and resurrection salvation and the spiritual Kingdom of God came to man. (Rev 12:10) That's why there are many...