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Haha.. The church in Jerusalem was a Baptist church? I can see the sign now as you enter the city... First Baptist Church of Jerusalem. Pastor Peter, youth minister James, worship minister John. There is no Baptist church in the Bible. But you are welcome to show us if you find it. It’s...

Haha... The Bible provides an account of a certain groups conversion. An account of what they actually did in order to be converted; and you don’t want to study that? You just want to go and read their mail and project what YOU THINK it should mean when they are told... By grace you have been...

Why would you bring out a Baptist confession of faith? That’s not inspired. There is no Baptist church in the Bible. The Baptist didn’t come along until 1500 years after Christ built HIS church. They teach false doctrine and are a denomination and apostate church. Paul condemned denominations...

Who said... no one is elect?

What did those in Ephesus have to do to be converted? Did they JUST BELIEVE? There conversion account is in the Bible if you care to look it up. Nobody even cares. They just like to insert their own doctrine into the book of Ephesians. This is the danger of reading other people’s mail.

In John 13-16 Jesus was with the apostles ONLY. He did not promise you the HS as a helper. There are way too many people that need help with reading comprehension. Christ DID NOT sat to YOU....I have chosen you. You need to get out of John and spend more time in the book of acts. People that...

Well my mistake

That is not what 1 Cor 2 says. We can’t know unless he reveals and what he has revealed is found in the book he has left us. Dt 29:29 tells us that the secret things belong to the Lord but what has been revealed belongs to us. We can know the mind and will of God through study of his word...

You are still not answering. How can we resolve Jn 1 if you don’t want to answer a basic question.

That’s deep.

You are now in a long line of people that won’t answer questions. You nor anybody else seems to think they have to defend anything they say. You talk about me and judging (passing judgement on me) I then ask for you to explain when it’s right to judge, and you say , nope! Not gonna do it.

No, no. You mentioned Jn 1:13 above and have in the past falsely claimed we are saved in the same way as those in John 1. So, my question to you is... Did those in John 1 have to be baptized with Johns baptism? Do you? I will consider what you want when you first consider this.

So, Biblical election has now been reduced to just being a loving person and enduring tough times. This is what you get when you say....I don’t have to prove anything. If the doc tells you, you have cancer, do you expect proof? Before you have open heart surgery, do you want to see what the...

This is great! I have been waiting for a couple days to answers from you to a few questions and you’re telling people to be courteous and answer. That is fantastic. People who claim election wont answer but admonish others when they don’t.

You might as well I’m not going to read it.

To heart2soul You are right. Even the elect can be deceived. Even those who are “the elect” can end up lost.

I don’t think it is speaking of degree. Other translations use the phrase. Even the elect. They will mislead, if possible, even the elect.

Since the Calvinist are having a hard time proving that God specifically chose them for salvation, the trend I see now is to shift focus over to the idea that proof is not needed and you can’t prove anything. If you can’t prove anything then we can throw our Bible away. I can say what I want...

Where does that come from?

Why don’t you explain to me when you think it is proper to judge because you seem to be passing a lot of judgement on me right now. Is it just ok for you?