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It IS of ourselves that we remain righteous. You're all hung up on the initial salvation experience, but you really need to focus on the process of salvation ... going all the way to the end. One's salvation needs to be maintained. “Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices...

If thou doesn't mind me saying so ... you are hopeless! And there are many on Christian forums who are. .

I'm not sure that it takes obedience to become saved ... IMO, it's more like accepting the invitation. It takes obedience to remain saved. It takes doing good works to remain saved. .

(1) please see Matthew 25 and the book of James (2) please realize that our salvation must be maintained ... via such as obedience, practicing righteousness, etc. (3) please remember to include this, which you did not do in post #23. .

Congratulations, you can actually read and understand what's written in the NT. And you have chosen to NOT make excuses for your any habitual sinning that you may be involved in whilst the precious Holy Spirit is trying to sanctify you unto holiness! .

You fail to see the BAC's part in all of this! We have the free-will to choose to co-operate with God the Holy Spirit as He tries to sanctify us unto holiness (Romans 6:19 and many others), or not. And haven't you seen the many conditional "IF" verses in the NT? This does NOT mean, "IF the Holy...

Romans 6:16-19 is better, more complete. 6:23 really completes the picture ... but most don't understand what he's so tactfully saying! Reason: a lifetime of false teaching, naturally. Deceived, brainwashed, etc. by Satan through the churches. .

Yes, so how about properly interpreting the many dire warning verses in the NT? Oh wait, I know ... Our churches today are filled with believers who want their cake (salvation) ... and want to eat it (sin) too. .

Please excuse my ignorance! It's the only Christian forum that allows it, that I know of (out of about 16)! .

For years, people have complained about my take on Romans 6! Problem is ... what Paul teaches ME i Romans 6 is totally consistent, and confirms, all of the other dire warnings in the NT about choosing to sin habitually! Tis NOT a stand-alone teaching by any stretch. Our churches today are...

Romans 11:6 "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work." This refers to WORKS ONLY ... which everyone (except BACs), and all religions, have always believed in! Like I asked...

False doctrine! ... See Matthew 25, the book of James, etc. Well, works PROVES a person is saved. IMO, pretty much the same thing. If you don't have acceptable WORKS, you're NOT saved. .

One benefit of BACs being under grace is that they have been set FREE of being in bondage to sin! They NO longer HAVE to sin! (Ref: several NT verses) That is what Paul was talking about. .

Bravo! ... I had no idea that we were on the same page about this. .

No one believes that Romans 6 is critically important? Who ARE you people anyway?

But, you're not speaking to our last posts, and yours was ... "But I would say that there is a difference between being a disciple and being saved...a person can be one and not also be the other. And also, the requirement for being a disciple is greater than the requirement for being saved...

Yes, this is the crux of the olde "Lordship Salvation" issue! The more I've been involved, the more I see spiritual Truth in the following (from a tract of mine) ... If Jesus is our SAVIOR, then we need to treat Him as our LORD! Paul and Peter both called Him several times, “LORD and Savior”...

Yes, it is one of the John 3:16 type of verses, which we know is nonsense because it doesn't specify what kind of belief is necessary, e.g. it doesn't rule out simple intellectual belief, which most kids have in Sunday School, right? IMO, these types of verses are the little hooks used to catch...

I thought we had agreed that ... INITIAL salvation is a far cry from FINAL salvation! One is initially saved eternally (but can "choose" to lose it). This is most beneficial to the new babes in Christ. Encouraging and positive ... like John 3:16, etc. Salvation is a process! ...just as...

Thou must know that I speakest about some Jewish Christians in Gal 5 ... Galatians 5: 1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit...