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So, they were in (or under?) God's grace and were in Christ, and then became estranged from Christ and fell from grace! If that is it, why don't you say so? .

Okay, then many NT warning verses about gaining eternal death or losing eternal life are exaggerations, bluffs, lies even ... because it's difficult for me to see them all as just keeping BACs on the narrow path to heaven or getting the straying ones back on the narrow path. What do you think...

Okay, I admire your view of RECONCILING the 2 sets of NT verses! I have also contemplated the same solution! Yes, the dire warnings should indeed LEAD most BACs into obedience through the fear of the Lord. Man himself can most definitely snatch himself out of God's hands! Most likely, this is...

There are some NT verses which appear to support OSAS, but there are also many which WARN against OSAS. And it's the same old story ... to understand what's going on, one absolutely MUST RECONCILE both sets of these verses! Otherwise, you have people like yourself who ... ignore and/or reject...

What, after one month of ignoring the thread and the verses! .

Gee whizakers ... it's within what you just quoted. .

That's what they all say! ... And most have some very dangerous views! You asked for ... but then refuse to comment on these verses! ... Warnings to the churches about gaining eternal death .

People's understanding of the NT word "believe" is way beyond ridiculous! It MUST entail much more than ONE word can portray! For all languages, not just English. According to the whole of the NT ... True Saving Belief = enduring belief-faith-trust, sincere repentance, deep love for God...

Please excuse me for a moment ... Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! Okay, I'm ready. .

No ... the Gospel is an invitation. Obeying the Gospel would mean to obey Jesus, for it is His Gospel. Obeying Jesus is to obey His commandments. Obeying Jesus is done because one loves Jesus (John 14:15, 21, 23, 24). .

What does all of this have to do with the OP?

This is your problem ... you have NO idea what is True Saving Belief-Faith! And I see now why you were NOT interested in reading this OP. And that's why I said to you, "It's time to get with the program!" God's program, not Satan's. .

Of course you are aware of all the uncomplimentary and condemning names that Jesus called the Pharisees! And the overturning of their tables in the sanctuary! It's called righteous anger. Is this loving everybody as Christ did? .

Absolutely positivo! .

No problem, there are 18 of 'em on your nearest golf course. .

The context was ... There are NT verses which say BACs can lose their salvation, i.e. gain eternal death. You said, "No way. I'm waiting to see the verses!" And silly me, I provided them for you! .

OK, I apologize for hassling you! It's been so long, I forget also. Thou might comment on the verses though.

Time to get with da program #2 ... .

Time to get with da program ... Warnings to the churches about gaining eternal death .

6:1 “What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 6:2 - Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?” 6:6 “we should no longer be slaves of sin.” 6:11 “reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin” 6:12 “do not let sin reign in your mortal body...