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  1. TrevorHL

    Christadelphians, the Devil and Satan

    Greetings again Matthias, Where I decide against real angels is that the Cherubim of Ezekiel 1 each have four heads, lion, eagle, ox and man, and four wings, the Seraphim's head(s) of Isaiah 6 is not described, but their name could link with the serpents and the serpent on the pole, and each...
  2. TrevorHL

    Christadelphians, the Devil and Satan

    Greetings again Matthias, I am not sure of your position, but I consider the cherubim, seraphim and living creatures to be symbolic and not real Angels or varieties mainly because of their many different heads and wings. Possibly the Cherubim of Genesis 3 were real angels enacting the role of...
  3. TrevorHL

    Christadelphians, the Devil and Satan

    Greetings again Matthias, Perhaps the difference is that he may not consider the connection between the serpent on the pole and Jesus and any connection of this with the Seraphim and Isaiah 6. Do you endorse what he said about the Seraphim? This is outside the sphere of my interest. My...
  4. TrevorHL

    Christadelphians, the Devil and Satan

    Greetings again Matthias, He touched upon a raw nerve when he treated Isaiah 6 in such a fashion. Isaiah 6 is one of my favourite Bible chapters. In my youth a home study class considered Isaiah and I really enjoyed Isaiah 6 and my understanding of this chapter has grown over the years...
  5. TrevorHL

    Christadelphians, the Devil and Satan

    Greetings again Matthias, I suggest that his treatment of Isaiah 6 and the Seraphim is typical of his method of muddying the water in order to introduce Satan into Genesis 3. Kind regards Trevor
  6. TrevorHL

    Christadelphians, the Devil and Satan

    Greetings again Matthias, No, and he uses many words and ideas to try to disparage the clear teaching of Genesis 3:1. The Serpent was a creature, created on Day 6 of the Genesis 1 account, and it had discerning ability and given the power of speech. One detail, the Seraphim of Isaiah 6 and the...
  7. TrevorHL

    Christadelphians, the Devil and Satan

    Greetings again Matthias, Wiki seems to give a different definition. The following is the start of the article: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia The occult (from Latin occultus 'hidden, secret') is a category of esoteric or supernatural beliefs and practices which generally fall outside...
  8. TrevorHL

    Christadelphians, the Devil and Satan

    Greetings again Hiddenthings, I was a bit worried, but I am glad that you did not take offence at what I stated. My grandfather came from a family and families of strong Methodists and he was at the University to train as a Minister when he met a Christadelphian. He was then ostracised by his...
  9. TrevorHL

    Christadelphians, the Devil and Satan

    Greetings again Matthias, I enjoyed and felt satisfied with my two eras of electrical drafting, the first in Substation Design for the Transmission Sector and then after a brief period in Power Station Design, I spent many years as the Electrical Draftsman in a Power Station. I am still not...
  10. TrevorHL

    Christadelphians, the Devil and Satan

    Greetings again Matthias, Yes, God granted the serpent the ability to speak AND reason. What the serpent spoke was as a result of the serpent's reasoning, not by inspiration from the devil, nor from the devil being a ventriloquist. Not sure what you have in mind here, but it seems invalid to...
  11. TrevorHL

    Christadelphians, the Devil and Satan

    Greetings again Matthias, The serpent of old was the serpent. This is a very amusing incident, but I am not sure why you raise this. God gave the donkey a certain level of intelligence and remarkably able to voice this intelligence, and what the donkey stated was very relevant and true to the...
  12. TrevorHL

    Christadelphians, the Devil and Satan

    Greetings again Matthias, But it says that the serpent was more subtil or crafty than any other beast. No mention of the devil. One JW suggestion is that the devil used the serpent as a ventriloquist, and they also say serpents do not speak, and they thus reduce the serpent to a dumb, stupid...
  13. TrevorHL

    Christadelphians, the Devil and Satan

    Greetings again Matthias, A brief response to the article you quoted: This disagrees with what Genesis 3:1 states, that the serpent was an actual beast of the field and had intelligence and the ability to speak and was punished. Is this the same serpent that tempted Eve and Adam? An immortal...
  14. TrevorHL

    Christadelphians, the Devil and Satan

    Greetings again Matthias, But the ancient serpent was a creature who was discerning and could speak what he deducted and was punished at that time by God. Thus the dragon is not the same being, but of the same character as the serpent and his seed Genesis 3:15, those that persecuted the woman...
  15. TrevorHL

    Does God love the angels and does God want the angels to love him?

    Greetings again Matthias, God is above the angels. Obviously. The resurrected Messiah is above the angels. Yes. The immortalized brethren of Messiah will be above the angels. I believe that they will be equal to the Angels. Do you have any scriptural basis for this view? Are they in some way an...
  16. TrevorHL

    Does God love the angels and does God want the angels to love him?

    Greetings again Matthias, I am not sure of your use of the word "serve" here, especially if you also speak of it as status in relationship with the faithful during the Kingdom. I believe that the Angels will certainly interact with the faithful, but the responsibility of the administration of...
  17. TrevorHL

    Does God love the angels and does God want the angels to love him?

    Greetings again Matthias, They serve man in the present era on behalf of God, but are at present much superior to man and will be equal during the Kingdom as their role will be complete and they will hand over the administration of the nations to Jesus and the faithful for the 1000 years. I...
  18. TrevorHL

    Does God love the angels and does God want the angels to love him?

    Greetings again Matthias, It is also very relevant that the Genesis narrative does not allow the introduction of sin to be as a result of a previous rebellion by Angels. Perhaps you have a different view and also differ on the actual role of the serpent in Genesis 3:1. Yes, I consider that the...
  19. TrevorHL

    Does God love the angels and does God want the angels to love him?

    Greetings again Matthias, Yes, very much they have free will, and their response is based upon their own historically developed character, a history which is not narrated to us directly, except to say that they have, or have had a knowledge of good and evil, and I assume that this had been by a...
  20. TrevorHL

    Does God love the angels and does God want the angels to love him?

    Greetings Matthias, I find that an unusual question. Perhaps it reflects your opinion that there are evil angels. I consider that there is perfect harmony between the Angels and God the Father and his son, the Lord Jesus Christ and this is cemented with a very strong bond of love. The same bond...