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“And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple. For which of you, intending to build a tower, does not sit down first and count the cost, whether he has enough to finish it — lest, after he has laid the foundation, and is not able to finish, all who see it begin to...

Don't feel bad ... your's is the typical response of "believers" who: -- do NOT want to accept what Scripture clearly says -- do want to reject and disobey what Scripture clearly says -- do want to rationalize their way out of obeying Scripture -- do want to hope that their "grace only" gospel...

Numero uno has everything to do with salvation.

Check out "in Me" (John 15:1+) and see where some of those "in Me" end up. These are the tares, who are in the kingdom of God/heaven! (I learned this yesterday) I.E. one must be in this kingdom to make it to heaven, but not all in this kingdom make it to heaven. "Believing only comes once" ...

Bin dere and done dat ... I ask for a comment on a whole bunch of verses, and what I get is another whole bunch of different verses (which seem to favor the poster's position)! One has to REONCILE all of the NT verses to have a viable doctrine of salvation. So, get busy, and quit wasting...

OzSpen, Did you read the OP? I'm talking about salvation, and if it can be lost (rejected, fallen from, etc.).

And there are those NT verses about "the crown of life", which can easily be proven by NT Scriptures to be referring to "the crown of (eternal) life". People like ATP would never believe 'em ... so I hope he doesn't ask to see 'em! Hey, that rhymes (sorta).

“… narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to (eternal) life, and there are few who find it.” (Matthew 7:14) Don't see much about easy believism, easy grace, greasy grace, etc. here! Not much about sittin' back and enjoyin' the ride all the way to heaven. Didn't Jesus say...

Are you and ATP forever joined at the hip, or just while you're on this forum? Why did God give us free will? ... One reason was to see: How much do we appreciate His free gift of grace (unmerited favor). Jesus said if we love Him, we will keep His commandments. Does anyone get to heaven, if...

The 100 or so warnings in the NT that I quote ... NEVER speak at all about REWARDS! Your response: Show me those verses! My reply: You've already seen them, and rejected them! Meanwhile, God does have His reasons for NOT making all of these warnings OBVIOUS! Not sure if I've explained the...

Maybe, just for example, because James kept repeating, "Faith without works is dead!" I am disappointed, ATP, that your faith is dead ... ergo, you have no salvation. It should be made clear that co-operating with God by being obedient, etc. is NOT what the NT is referring to by "works" (good...

Amen!

I like it ... gonna have to remember this line! ... 'Tis very apropos mucho of the time.

Perhaps a reminder is in order ... “… narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to (eternal) life, and there are few who find it.” (Matthew 7:14) This flies directly in the faces of easy believism and greasy grace.

John is trying to outdo Paul by stating what he wishes were true! Paul does this quite often. An example is the U/L found in Romans 6:18-19 ... "And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. ... so now present your members as slaves of righteousness" Please note that...

Since almost the beginning, all humans have been born with an inherited sin nature. But, because of God’s great love and mercy, He devised a Plan to save some of them. The Word (i.e. God) came down from heaven, and became flesh, and lived on the earth. This “God-man”, the Messiah, came to die...

So now, what do we think about ... 5 of the more obvious passages about losing salvation.

But, the reverse is not true. Because the churches do not teach that they must do.

Jun2u wrote: ... we've got to come to our conclusion that our salvation is grace alone ... Sorry, the NT teaches: God's grace > allows belief/faith > demands trust > demands obedience > finally salvation Those who are God's elect from before the foundation of the world ... actually heed the...