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They do- every day. That just proves our fallen nature and the spirit may be willing but the flesh is weak. Paul regarded himself as the 'chief of sinners" (present tense) There are some denominations, dogmas and beliefs out there that just cant stand that somewhere someone might actually "get...

yes, do you understand any of them?

that point was proven long before you were thought about and all you have done is stated the obvious

No but you put that qualifier there to define another statement. Now you are spinning, waffling, evading and hiding- why?

and correct

In what point in history either by calendar or location do you not think every one of these same things existed? Its no different now than before so what makes you think any of this is unique? Other than in the final days of the tribulation it gets worse but it doesn't get "different"

spare me your waffling and evasion. Post 8 is clear and concise in both meaning and intent to anyone who can read and comprehend greater than about a 3rd grade level.

i have been a member of many but got so fed up with their false doctrines, traditions, churchianity, worldy slant that I no longer claim a denomination. I suggest you do the same for the same reason. That doesn't mean forsaking the assembly but do NOT allow them to control your learning or do...

honestly, no denomination of man meets that criteria because thats too broad

you brought it up and the question is relevant to the subject yet you waffle, evade and obfuscate. that seems to be your MO- long on word and short on depth.

yes, he was wrong too

There is no "maintaining" of salvation. Once a person acknowledges and accepts Christ's sacrifice by acknowledging he is a sinner and only worthy of damnation- the sins are forgiven and the believer is given the HS as a seal and is written in the Book of Life. ( a new beginning, reborn) Much of...

My advice to you is to search Scripture for the answers you seek and avoid all denominational dogma. The "church" ain't gonna save you

I don't suppose you can even grasp the concept that God's perfect plan is not contingent upon or altered by the actions of man?

in other words yet another deflective non answer from you.

not Jesus, just your understanding is wrong

so, your position is so weak that you refuse to even attempt to justify or support it from scripture? thats clearly obvious.

i have seen so many but lets start with the wealth issue you are currently ranting about

then where do the error filled positions that are clearly unsupported by even the most basic read that you seem to hold come from?

I must ask, do you have even a functional basal understanding of scripture?