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How could two Christians reading the replies of another Christian come to such opposing understanding to what was said???

I understand the symbolic depictions of spirit beings. The Bible speaks of two types of spirit beings, (1) serving God (2) serving Satan. I disagree with tradition handed down defining the evil spirit as once having been a spirit for good, who sinned against God and became the master evil...

David, there is nothing wrong with my vision. Perhaps the Spirit has not yet opened your spiritual eyes to know things that can only be spiritually discerned? 1 Corinthians 2:10-13 (KJV) But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep...

John 8:44 (KJV) Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. The serpent as...

The Bible certainly seems to show him as real, and evil, in fact a murderer from the beginning, and father of lies. But the Bible never says he was an angel of God who fell. He was created for evil from the beginning. Genesis 3:1 (KJV) Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of...

I've already shown you once, here again are some verses that tell us where evil and wickedness in man comes from. Genesis 6:5 (KJV) And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Matthew 15:19-20...

The lamentation is directed to king Tyrus, not to a spirit being, but to a human being! Tyrus is indeed showing that he is under the influence of evil. Though he was not literally in the garden of God in the beginning, through the seed of evil in his heart and mind, spiritually, he was. From...

Genesis 6:5 (KJV) And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. Matthew 15:19-20 (KJV) For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness...

What part would that be? Ezekiel 28:12 (KJV) Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

We find the same example of a man the king of Babylon whose heart also became lifted up by evil, saying he would ascend into heaven and exalt his throne above the stars of God, sit upon the mount of the congregation, saying "I will be like the most High." Isaiah 14:13-14 (KJV) For thou hast...

I agree, it is dual prophecy of how the king of Tyrus has an evil spirit that has existed to try man from the beginning. The lamentation toward king Tyrus does not prove that Satan is a fallen angel. It proves that evil had penetrated the heart of the king, causing his heart to be lifted up...

Are you speaking of the lamentation Ezekiel was told to take upon the king of Tyrus? Are you saying this proves Satan is a fallen angel? How? Ezekiel 28:12 (KJV) Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum...

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Respect for one another is something we could all use in this discussion.

Can you provide passages from Scripture saying Satan is a fallen angel?

SI, I hope you will accept my apologies for not replying to you regarding the being called Satan. It's sometimes difficult for me to have discussions without sometimes resorting in kind to some of these posts. I sense a hostile attitude, so rather than offend I will simply refrain from...

Try focusing on the Greek word "see" and both those who are or those who shall be standing there makes no difference. Because the passage is NOT focused on the coming of the Kingdom of God in the distant future, it is focused on knowing that all who shall be saved will know/understand/perceive...

The KJV is not a problem, rather the problem comes from those who read these passages with a particular doctrine to prove.

Another way for understanding this verse is realizing that "seen" is this verse is not with physical sight, but with heart/mind understanding. IOW some who were standing there would not die until the know according to grace through faith that Christ came in the Kingdom of God. Mark 9:1 (KJV)...

One of the most difficult doctrines regarding God's Sovereign grace it 'limited atonement'. It's very difficult for some to accept that God, in His written Word, clearly says that not all of mankind shall be eternally saved. God says that some will remain in darkness and unbelief their whole...