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Are you unable to read? I asked you this: "So, you are saying you think that "the spirit of disobedience that works within mankind" was talking to Jesus in the desert for 40 days and nights? How does that work exactly?". What does it mean that the spirit of man was talking to Jesus in the desert? That makes no sense. So, explain that if you can.
LOL! What is the name of the straw man you're talking to? You keep saying ridiculous things like this that have nothing to do with anything I've said.
How can it be that man's own rebellious spirit was talking to Jesus in the desert or talking to God about Job? Explain these things instead of just avoiding my questions about them.
I'm going by the definition of Satan you gave me! Hello? If you're doing a terrible job of explaining yourself, that's not my fault. How about you make an effort to explain your understanding of Satan talking to God about Job. Whose rebellious spirit exactly was talking to God. Some man named Satan? Explain your understanding of that exchange recorded in Job.
It's because I have spiritual ears to hear that I know you are completely off base about Satan, angels and demons.
Regardless of who the sons of God are, it differentiates between them and Satan. It singles Satan out from them. So, who is Satan then? He clearly is a real being of some kind, at least. But, you deny this. Why? There is no basis at all for denying that. We can debate the exact nature of the being named Satan, but to deny he is an actual being at all is ridiculous and completely contradicts many texts where he is referenced (as the devil or Satan).
It presents Satan as an actual being. You say he's not a fallen angel, but it talks about him going here and there on the earth and it talks about him existing long before Christ came and still being around in Christ's day and so on. So, he obviously isn't a human being. What else can Satan be but an evil spirit being? That is what he is portrayed as in scripture. It's obvious.
Yes, so who do you think he is? You can't just say the rebellious spirit or attitude of men. He is not presented that way. He is presented as an actual, living being.
I still believe it's talking about angels in heaven, but that's a separate argument. Regardless, it portrays Satan as an actual, living, evil being. And you deny that.
Say what now? Adam and Eve were actual people. I would hope you agree. So, why do you deny that Satan is an actual, living being? Does God talk to non-living beings? Was Jesus not talking to a an actual person/living being in the desert? It certainly portrays Him as doing so. He wasn't just talking to Himself and no one else was there except for the one He was talking to, who is called "the devil" or "Satan".
You need to receive the love the truth. You try too hard to discover things that no one else understands in an apparent attempt to make yourself look better than everyone, but sometimes the truth is simple and not as convoluted as you make it out to be. This is one of those times.
He has made it clear several times that he does not believe that Satan is a fallen angel or a created being and he does not believe in the existence of angels at all (good or evil/fallen). He sees the references to the devil or Satan as referring to the disobedient spirit of man. I'm challenging that by referring to how Satan talked to God about Job and to when Jesus talked to Satan when He was in the desert for 40 days and nights and his responses are far less than convincing.
This has to be the most discombobulated mess ever contrived to try and defend a lying false prophet. How gullible can you be? Just admit the guy is a lying scam artist that duped you and move on.Just this morning I was looking into this. I started talking about this on another forum. I almost forgot to come back to this thread.
So you must have seen the video too? The 21 day delay? Or did you get the 21 day delay idea yourself? The reason for the delay is complicated, it's hard to explain. Jesus can beat Satan in a fight now, but Satan has held some of the saints hostage. I think we're still waiting for some new babies being born, ones that would have been here already if they could have overturned Roe/Wade sooner.
But with this new deal, Joshua can still be right. It's like all the Fall Feasts are the same Feast event of 2025. That video where he shows we had two Feasts on the same day, on the day of a full moon. One Feast on the Julian date, the other on the Gregorian. And the both of them connected to the last day Feast, the 8th day feast, Shemini Atzeret.
The guy shows how two Feasts, on the two different calendars, both fell on the same full moon. I hesitate to post it. The way things are going now he might remove the video by this evening. But it does tie in with the 8th day, and a way old Joshua could still be right. A way where all the Feasts are happening, or connected together at once. In that way it did begin with the Feast of Trumpets. You can add a 21 day delay to the Gregorian Trumpets, and it counts to the last day Feast, the 8th day, Shemini Atzeret. And that's next Tuesday October 14.
In the new video he posits an explanation for Joshua's confusion. He quotes what Joshua said, claiming Jesus told him he would come for His church on the Feast of Trumpets. He's not going to get them, He will come at that time, He will embark on, or initiate, the expedition.
There's a bunch of detail. Joshua was not Moses. Only Moses would God speak to directly, face to face, without riddles. Anybody else just gets dreams and visions, and riddles. God is basically saying, unless it's Moses He's talking to, anyone else might be getting riddles to figure out. Joshua had enough trouble figuring out his cell phone. The video guy can explain it for anyone still following along.
"And he said, “Hear my words: If there is a prophet among you, I the Lord make myself known to him in a vision; I speak with him in a dream. Not so with my servant Moses. He is faithful in all my house. With him I speak mouth to mouth, clearly, and not in riddles, and he beholds the form of the Lord. - Numbers 12:6-8
Maybe all Calendars belong to God. He made the space time continuum which makes that measurement required. Without time, the Creation of a physical universe, calendars would not be required. This new deal is not impossible, I'd give it a 35% chance of success.
Disagree. So, not necessarily, and probably not. They're just... mistaken. And that's really okay. I mean yeah, we all agree that we want to understand everything in the Bible perfectly, and probably to an... "unhealthy"... degree, we think we do. But... it's really okay. Really.
They're not "altering Scripture," they are just misunderstanding... buying into a misunderstanding. Really, David. It's okay. They're not going to hell because their eschatology is, um... you know... all messed up. <smile>
Hello my Brother in Christ,
Take a CLOSE look at who are the accusers of the brethren.
@Ronald David Bruno is actually calling the Lord Jesus Christ a false prophet on at least two prophecies from JESUS.
Still, you have to make some huge leaps of the imagination to insert multiple returns of the Lord because this forces multiple end-time resurrections. Pre-trib is a contrived myth.
You generealized 'evil' as if it is just the working of sinful men
The following chart makes more sense than any of those.Just this morning I was looking into this. I started talking about this on another forum. I almost forgot to come back to this thread.
So you must have seen the video too? The 21 day delay? Or did you get the 21 day delay idea yourself? The reason for the delay is complicated, it's hard to explain. Jesus can beat Satan in a fight now, but Satan has held some of the saints hostage. I think we're still waiting for some new babies being born, ones that would have been here already if they could have overturned Roe/Wade sooner.
But with this new deal, Joshua can still be right. It's like all the Fall Feasts are the same Feast event of 2025. That video where he shows we had two Feasts on the same day, on the day of a full moon. One Feast on the Julian date, the other on the Gregorian. And the both of them connected to the last day Feast, the 8th day feast, Shemini Atzeret.
The guy shows how two Feasts, on the two different calendars, both fell on the same full moon. I hesitate to post it. The way things are going now he might remove the video by this evening. But it does tie in with the 8th day, and a way old Joshua could still be right. A way where all the Feasts are happening, or connected together at once. In that way it did begin with the Feast of Trumpets. You can add a 21 day delay to the Gregorian Trumpets, and it counts to the last day Feast, the 8th day, Shemini Atzeret. And that's next Tuesday October 14.
In the new video he posits an explanation for Joshua's confusion. He quotes what Joshua said, claiming Jesus told him he would come for His church on the Feast of Trumpets. He's not going to get them, He will come at that time, He will embark on, or initiate, the expedition.
There's a bunch of detail. Joshua was not Moses. Only Moses would God speak to directly, face to face, without riddles. Anybody else just gets dreams and visions, and riddles. God is basically saying, unless it's Moses He's talking to, anyone else might be getting riddles to figure out. Joshua had enough trouble figuring out his cell phone. The video guy can explain it for anyone still following along.
"And he said, “Hear my words: If there is a prophet among you, I the Lord make myself known to him in a vision; I speak with him in a dream. Not so with my servant Moses. He is faithful in all my house. With him I speak mouth to mouth, clearly, and not in riddles, and he beholds the form of the Lord. - Numbers 12:6-8
Maybe all Calendars belong to God. He made the space time continuum which makes that measurement required. Without time, the Creation of a physical universe, calendars would not be required. This new deal is not impossible, I'd give it a 35% chance of success.
You should apologize for attempting to give the false vision/prophecy any credibility while anyone with any bit of discernment could see otherwise from the beginning.
I never seen so much contrived and deceptive drivel in my life. Talk about manipulating scripture to support a false profit on false prophecy. Stop digging. Your hole is getting deeper and deeper. It is going to collapse around you.Just this morning I was looking into this. I started talking about this on another forum. I almost forgot to come back to this thread.
So you must have seen the video too? The 21 day delay? Or did you get the 21 day delay idea yourself? The reason for the delay is complicated, it's hard to explain. Jesus can beat Satan in a fight now, but Satan has held some of the saints hostage. I think we're still waiting for some new babies being born, ones that would have been here already if they could have overturned Roe/Wade sooner.
But with this new deal, Joshua can still be right. It's like all the Fall Feasts are the same Feast event of 2025. That video where he shows we had two Feasts on the same day, on the day of a full moon. One Feast on the Julian date, the other on the Gregorian. And the both of them connected to the last day Feast, the 8th day feast, Shemini Atzeret.
The guy shows how two Feasts, on the two different calendars, both fell on the same full moon. I hesitate to post it. The way things are going now he might remove the video by this evening. But it does tie in with the 8th day, and a way old Joshua could still be right. A way where all the Feasts are happening, or connected together at once. In that way it did begin with the Feast of Trumpets. You can add a 21 day delay to the Gregorian Trumpets, and it counts to the last day Feast, the 8th day, Shemini Atzeret. And that's next Tuesday October 14.
In the new video he posits an explanation for Joshua's confusion. He quotes what Joshua said, claiming Jesus told him he would come for His church on the Feast of Trumpets. He's not going to get them, He will come at that time, He will embark on, or initiate, the expedition.
There's a bunch of detail. Joshua was not Moses. Only Moses would God speak to directly, face to face, without riddles. Anybody else just gets dreams and visions, and riddles. God is basically saying, unless it's Moses He's talking to, anyone else might be getting riddles to figure out. Joshua had enough trouble figuring out his cell phone. The video guy can explain it for anyone still following along.
"And he said, “Hear my words: If there is a prophet among you, I the Lord make myself known to him in a vision; I speak with him in a dream. Not so with my servant Moses. He is faithful in all my house. With him I speak mouth to mouth, clearly, and not in riddles, and he beholds the form of the Lord. - Numbers 12:6-8
Maybe all Calendars belong to God. He made the space time continuum which makes that measurement required. Without time, the Creation of a physical universe, calendars would not be required. This new deal is not impossible, I'd give it a 35% chance of success.
Agree. Pre-tribs are mistaken, but still are saved. I've never seen any scripture which speaks about salvation being dependent on one's eschatological beliefs. #pretribslivesmatter
