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Oh goodness, here we go Pay attention to your own words, "before" is the timeline I was referring to so thank you for confirming exactly what I said. That is in no way referring to the Deity status of Jesus in that account. ( any angel could have said the exact same thing in that context) I...

Context is key. Jesus was speaking specifically and only in reference to Abraham on a timeline- That is not what God was addressing to Moses so the comparison relative to the situation posed in the thread is invalid and non sequitur.

Very good, I guess we will both see now how its answered.

These "church fathers have no more "authority" than my beagle so quoting them is a meaningless exercise in terms of "proof". Baptism means to saturate (usually by immersion which carries the secondary concept of adding bulk) Water "baptism" is a ceremony- Baptism of the Spirit is an event only...

Why the non answer and obfuscation? I did read it so could you specifically and exactly point to the wording that "proves" a Trinity as you stated? You seem to talk much but say little of value

Fair enough, starting at level-1 God said to Moses I AM (he didn't say "we" are) Thou shalt have no other Gods before ME (not "we") Jesus Himself made it clear numerous times he was SUBORDINATE to The Father. Nowhere in scripture (And I specifically exclude all churchianity dogma and "mans"...

Respectfully I hope and pray we don't but we very well can fall. When viewed not just as a political system but breaking the philosophy and tenets down and comparing them to scripture, its very easy to see the entire system of socialism ( communism lite) is very much aligned with basic Satanic...

Just some assistance. Be careful interpreting anything in Revelation literally and in context the "heavenly" is describing the attributes- not the location.

No, it is not incorrect and I welcome any scripture ( no other authority or source would be recognized with any validity) you may have to show otherwise and I will be glad to help you understand why it is correct. Lets have one please.

Our resurrected bodies will be flesh and blood as they are now (just incorruptible and eternal) and in that state we will not be in heaven (specifically defined as the abode of God)- we will be here on Earth. Jesus was a little different in what happened to him during the transfiguration period...

If I may, What specific definition are you applying to the word "sin" and in what context? I ask because that answer will serve to qualify what step(s) must be used to "overcome" it. That's a very broad question and even broader answer.

That begs the question also- Did you actually understand what you think you read in Genesis? That also requires a specific definition of "The Trinity" as there are several variants out there. What specific flavor are you referring to? Overall, the "trinity doctrine" (as it is commonly...

No, that is a misunderstanding. The word water is not mentioned and what Jesus is referring to is "immersion" of the Holy Spirit (sealing of the believer).

The short answer is: There is no flesh in Heaven so no respiration is required.

I have been reading for a while and was led to join for a bit. I look forward to discussing things with the various posters on a variety of subjects.