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  1. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    How can a dead person, whose body has decomposed to dust (i.e. it no longer exists), "sleep in the dust of the earth" and then "awake" "to everlasting life"? Those were God's words to Daniel (Daniel 12:2). God uses an analogy, to help explain what it will be like for dead people - he was not...
  2. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    As I have said before, I have never been to a Kingdom Hall. Why do you keep making such stupid remarks? Are you saying that God is so weak and incompetent that it will take him forever to destroy a person? The Bible indicates otherwise. Everlasting destruction is not destruction at all!
  3. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    No I don't admit that! As Daniel 12:2 which says "those who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake" is descibing death as a sleep, so likewise I wrote that eternal death is like an eternal sleep - there will be no waking up from it. The last verse I quoted also describes the punishment as...
  4. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    And verse 46 says: (46) These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” The righteous will have eternal life, the unrighteous will therefore not have eternal life. The punishment of the unrighteous is death, eternal death (Romans 6:23). When someone is cast...
  5. keithr

    "What Do you know?...

    I'd agree with that. The verse that you quoted might not be a correct interpretation though. It seems odd that God would put the written Bible above His name, and other translations do translate Psalms 138:2 differently, e.g.: WEB: I will bow down toward your holy temple, and give thanks to...
  6. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    In post #721 you wrote: And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. Amen Jesus! If you didn't mean that you want people to be tortured, then you must be ignorant of what you wrote. 'Amen' means "so be it" or "may it be so". So along with the exclamation mark it sure sounded...
  7. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I have never lied on this forum. It's possible I may have been incorrect, but that is not lying - lying is saying something that you know to be false. You're mistaken again! Your attention to detail is poor. Matthew 5:22 has no mention of anything being eternal. I quoted the ESV version to...
  8. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    So you want people to be tortured forever! Be careful what you wish for. Jesus said, Matthew 5:21-22 (ESV): (21) “You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.’ (22) But I say to you that everyone who is angry with...
  9. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Well then he is in luck! Hebrews 2:14 (KJV): (14) Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; Satan will then not have the power of...
  10. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    I agree with you. Jesus is going to perfect God's Kingdom, perfecting everyone and destroying everyone who will not remain faithful to God and His righteous laws, including destroying Satan and his angelic/demonic followers (Revelation 20:7-10). Only those who are perfect and in harmony with...
  11. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    That is totally irrelevant to the discussion, so I'm not going to waste my time trying to answer that question. I never once disagreed with "forever and ever", so I don't know why you would come up with that comment. I was commenting on the word "tormented". If you can't understand that then...
  12. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Why can't you stop implying that I am a JW. I AM NOT A JEHOVAH'S WITNESS. When you throw something into a fire it is usually destroyed (that's why things are usually thrown into fire - to destroy them). You criticise my post for interpreting the text of Revelation 20 as symbolic, but all true...
  13. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    That's not what it says in Revelation 20: (13) The sea gave up the dead who were in it. Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them. They were judged, each one according to his works. (14) Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire...
  14. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    The truth is the truth, no matter who does and doesn't believes it. As Christians we should love the truth, and seek to know the truth of God's word. Jesus prayed, John 17:17 (WEB): (17) Sanctify them in your truth. Your word is truth. and Jesus said, John 4:24 (WEB): (24) God is spirit...
  15. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Perhaps you don't know that there are Christian denominations, apart from Jehovah's Witnesses (who are Christians), that don't believe in the Trinity or that hell is a place of eternal torture for humans. If you study "hell fire" in the Bible you will discover that "hell fire" or "fire of hell"...
  16. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    What evidence do you have to support that? This is just more slander. Psalms 15:1-3 (WEB): (1) A Psalm by David. Yahweh, who shall dwell in your sanctuary? Who shall live on your holy hill? (2) He who walks blamelessly does what is right, and speaks truth in his heart; (3) He who doesn’t...
  17. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Are you calling me a liar? How many more times do I need to state that I am not a JW and that I have never been one?
  18. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    In post #510 I explained the meaning of the verses and pointed out that they did not support your claims. That is not twisting Scripture!
  19. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    Neither are you. So what? I'm not a JW, but I do have a copy of the NWT (a friend gave it to me - he had bought it in a secondhand shop). Have you read it? I'm sure Aunty Jane knows that NWT stands for 'New World Translation (of the Holy Scriptures)'. Again, so what's your point?
  20. keithr

    What Are we Getting Saved From?

    You claimed (in post #621) that I had "twisted about every verse of scripture in this thread". By picking 4 verses that I have not "twisted about" I have proved you wrong. I am not crafty and deceptive, just honest, truthful and precise. My posts are there for you and everyone to read. Your...