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LOL I think we're done here. You are either incapable of understanding the difference between vengeance and saving/protecting or are being intentionally obtuse. In either case, you are blind. Your cut and paste responses from bibleforums.org are making you look comical. I wish you the best.

-- "It doesn't matter what the English word means..." Your very words...yet your reply was an English translation of what Paul said. What is good for thee is not for me? You translated what Paul was talking about: "avenge, vengeance, revenger" (these are the very words you used). I simply...

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"But my God shall provide all your need according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus." - Phil 4:19

"Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." - James 4:7

-- Simply pointing out where you are wrong by using facts is not "arguing against it". I have read and reread your post on Paul's word. I would encourage you to do the same. I will say it again because you either don't understand or choose to ignore it: Pauls words about "avenge, vengeance...

Selene is correct, Butch. Otherwise, we are to actively engage the Holy Spirit for assistance and pray only to God the Father, but Jesus - also God - The King of Kings - is relegated to the bench. Sorry, not happening.

-- So you are either saying that God is mightier than Jesus, although they are the same person. ................................uh huh

-- There is one God. So is Jesus God? Simple question. If He is God then you are telling us not to pray to God. Your 'royal family' analogy falls apart when you apply it to God. What you are saying (if you are saying Jesus is God) is that He is a 'lesser' God (the prince who has no real...

-- Butch, you seem big on language, but you obviously do not understand the obvious difference between "avenge, vengeance, revenger" and "defend, save, protect." If someone is going after my wife or child with an ax, my thought is on defense and protection...not vengeance. However, if I come...

-- "Both divine?" Does that mean they are both Gods? You are saying then that 1.) Christianity has more than one God, and 2.) You should only pray to one of them.

In James it talks about the large ship being steered by the small rudder. It talks about the powers and dangers coming from the tongue. While swearing/cursing may not reflect your relationship with God, it reflect on you. It shows there are definitely areas in your life you need help taking...

"Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God..." - Col 1:1 -- Paul became an apostle of Jesus Christ...the same God who knocked him off his horse and said, "Saul, why do you persecute me." Notice, Paul wasn't persecuting those who followed the God of the OT. He persecuted them for...

-- Apparently you are among this group, as well. The definition that Ducky provides is correct. Jesus is God.

There are several prophecies that are yet to take place before Christ's return. He is indeed coming quickly, and we will likely be able to sense when the time is very close...but I can say with confidence that an awful lot would need to happen between now and May 21st in order for that date to...

-- I have already pointed out your error. You said, "He said do not return evil for evil, bless them that persecute you, He said love your enemies." and I pointed out that does apply to defending your own life of the lives of your children. It is like saying, "The scripture says God will...

Nice post. Unfortunately it negates nothing of what I said. A 'pacifist' doesn't mean that you stand by and watch someone murder your children in order to rob your house. .

I had a very difficult time forgiving certain people for specific acts intentionally committed against me. When I say that I struggled, I mean that I S-T-R-U-G-G-L-E-D! But God said we should pray for these people. Not that they see the error of their ways and come to make amends with us...

-- God's message was about not seeking revenge or stooping to the level of your enemies or those that persecute you. Not repaying evil with evil. Saving yourself or a loved one from a murderous attack is NOT repaying evil with evil. It says NOTHING negative about defending your own life of...

-- Perhaps you should lead by example.