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  1. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Yes, I agree, and it still confuses people today (as in the OP quoted verses)! Why do people think that referring to Jesus as Lord means that he is God? Just because God was referred to as Lord too? And if you need to be referred to as Lord in order to be regarded as God, then why is the Holy...
  2. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Eh? You are trying to be brief? That's what brevity means. Or did you mean you were trying to add a little humour? :confused:
  3. keithr

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    I'm not sure that I agree with that. :confused: The WEB translates Colossians 3:22-24 as: (22) Servants, obey in all things those who are your masters according to the flesh, not just when they are looking, as men pleasers, but in singleness of heart, fearing God. (23) And whatever you do...
  4. keithr

    Defining Proper Language

    Then you are being literal and disagreeing with Jesus! :) : Matthew 8:22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead. Paul wrote similarly about the unsaved being considered dead, in Ephesians 2:5: Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ...
  5. keithr

    Defining Proper Language

    It does in English! Like Adam, we are all dying, and we will eventually die. Romans 6:23 (WEB): (23) For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Matthew 8:21-22 (WEB): (21) Another of his disciples said to him, “Lord, allow me first to go...
  6. keithr

    Defining Proper Language

    I wasn't adding to God's word, I simply said that, as the KJV footnote states, the literal translation of the Hebrew is not just "die", but is "dying you shall die". I then explained that by saying it means that they started to die (dying) and that eventually they would die (you shall die)...
  7. keithr

    Defining Proper Language

    Err, I don't understand that! I said "A more precise translation", not 'the least precise translation'. No. The day they ate some fruit from the tree they began to die. It was not figurative or metaphorical language, it was a clear statement of truth. The original language stated "dying, you...
  8. keithr

    Defining Proper Language

    That's perhaps not the best example, because it's mainly down to a translation problem. A more precise translation of the Hebrew, as indicated in the KJV footnote, is "in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. [{thou shalt surely … : Heb. dying thou shalt die }]" (Genesis...
  9. keithr

    There is NO proof text in scripture.

    We really need to pay close attention to the words in the Bible, if we don't want to look like a fool, as this cartoon demonstrates:
  10. keithr

    There is NO proof text in scripture.

    But are you assuming that it was God that spoke to you, when it might not have been! I think that is why we are advising caution. It's difficult for us to know when we don't know the details of what you heard. God (or Jesus) has only directly spoken to me once, putting words into my mind...
  11. keithr

    There is NO proof text in scripture.

    Indeed. Jesus also spent time studying the Scriptures and listening to Scripture teachers. Remember the story of when he was 12 years old and he stayed behind in Jerusalem, and it took his parents about three days to find him. He was in the temple. Luke 2:46 (WEB): (46) After three days...
  12. keithr

    There is NO proof text in scripture.

    You can never know what people are thinking until they plainly state it. I thought Mungo was going to say that you need to check what you believe you heard from God against the written word of God, in case it wasn't actually from God that you heard it. Note that it isn't just God and Jesus who...
  13. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    He has existed for over 6,000 years, but he was a man only for 33.5 of those years. No man had been created before Adam. We are all descendants of Adam - adam lived before us. Nonsense. Just because God has planned and foreknew, or foresaw, what would happen thousands of years in advance...
  14. keithr

    There is NO proof text in scripture.

    You missed out the previous verses, which gives "these things" that Timothy should remind the brethren of: 2 Timothy 2:2,11-14 (WEB): (2) The things which you have heard from me among many witnesses, commit the same to faithful men, who will be able to teach others also. (11) This saying is...
  15. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    The only person to mention spiritual discernment was Paul, in 1 Corinthians 2:14. Yet Paul did not believe Jesus was God, as is evident from his writings, e.g.: 1 Corinthians 8:6 (WEB): yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ...
  16. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    So who are the at least two beings mentioned when God said "our image"? One was God. Jesus is not God, or else God would have said "I will make man in my image". Jesus was not a man when he created Adam. He wasn't "made flesh" until Mary conceived while still a virgin, around 4,000 years...
  17. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: ... The "our" in that verse means that God and the person being spoken to by God must have had a similar "image". God and His Son Jesus do have the same character - and they are one in union and purpose.
  18. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    I believe that's from the NWT (New World Translation), a translation that Jehovah's Witnesses favour. If you take Jesus at his word, then he says that he is not God, but he does claim to be God's son. Jesus doesn't refer to himself as "I am"; that expression is just part of a normal sentence...
  19. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    If you've searched and found relevant verses then why don't you tell us what those verses are? I'm not going to wade through all those chapters trying to figure out what verses you were thinking support your view. There we disagree - Jesus is not God. Paul quotes from Scripture applying it...
  20. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Have you not heard of verse numbers? You're not making it easy for us - getting this out of you is like extracting teeth! You should let the light shine, not hide it under a bushel (Matthew 5:14-16). To support your statement "angels and men: do not worship me it is evil" you've generously...