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  1. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Why have you taken three words out of a verse only. This seems like deliberate sophistry. What did Thomas believe? John 20 (WEB): (25) The other disciples therefore said to him, “We have seen the Lord!” But he said to them, “Unless I see in his hands the print of the nails, put my finger...
  2. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    What translation is that? The only one that I can find that translates it that way is the Good News Bible, which I don't think is a good translation (it's certainly not accurate in translating this verse!). All other translations that I've checked say "I am" or "I am he". The meaning is like...
  3. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    How can you draw that conclusion from that passage? There is no mention at all of the "Spirit". Jesus says that God was his father and the Jews erroneously thought that meant that he was claiming to be equal to God (Jesus has never claimed equality with God). If you were to claim that God is...
  4. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Why YHVH said what to Moses?
  5. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    I'd prefer arguments based on the Bible rather than statements like "well repected Bible scholars don't know what they're talking about, but I do". But hey ho, what can you do about it? A little more from the Cambridge Bible Notes: 12. Jerome (Ep. lxxiii. ad Evangelum), summarizing opinions...
  6. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    How does three men not knowing what God's name was indicate that God has changed His name? Your logic is flawed. You've been blinded by the erroneous Trinity doctrine into not recognising who Jesus is. God has highly exalted Jesus, but He hasn't exalted Jesus to be above Himself. Jesus is...
  7. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    I meant that Jesus did not come down from heaven for the purpose of then becoming a man. While he was in heaven God transformed/translated/changed him into human form. Just as Christians will be changed by God in the twinkling of an eye from human to divine spirit beings, so God changed His...
  8. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    All that we know of Melchizedek is what is mentioned in Genesis 14:18-20 (WEB): (18) Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High. (19) He blessed him, and said, “Blessed be Abram of God Most High, possessor of heaven and earth. (20) Blessed be God...
  9. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Who is G-D? God's name is YHVH, and it appears nearly 7,000 times in the Bible. To refer to God by His name, that He said was His name, is not "false humility" nor "idol worship". God has never changed His name - His name will remain the same for 'all generations'. God's name is not, and...
  10. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    The Bible never mentions anyone called "God the Son". Jesus didn't come down from heaven to become a man. He became flesh when God transformed him into human form, in the womb of Mary. It's what you wrote! Now you're saying that Melchisedec was Jacob's God! And it was Melchisedec (a man) in...
  11. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Let's put that in context - Hebrews 5:2-10 (WEB): (2) The high priest can deal gently with those who are ignorant and going astray, because he himself is also surrounded with weakness. (3) Because of this, he must offer sacrifices for sins for the people, as well as for himself. (4) Nobody...
  12. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Who came in the flesh? Answer - God's only-begotten son, Jesus. Hebrews 1:1-2 (1) God, having in the past spoken to the fathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, (2) has at the end of these days spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom...
  13. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    That is just confusing unscriptual nonsense! To say that God was Jesus, His own only-begotten son, and the God of Jacob, and that He was also Jacob and fought with Himself to try and persuade Himself to not be crucified hundreds of years later - well that's just ridiculous nonsense. To say...
  14. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    What makes you think that Adam knew "the truth"? All God had told him, according to what is written in Genesis, is that if he ate from tree in the middle of the garden then he would die. He was told this before God had created Eve, so at that point there was no hint or possibility that he...
  15. keithr

    Adam, a picture of Christ

    No other human (apart from Eve) would have existed and had life if it wasn't for Adam (and Eve). He was the father of the human race. Similarly Abraham was called the father of Israel: Genesis 17:5 Your name will no more be called Abram, but your name will be Abraham; for I have made you the...
  16. keithr

    Adam, a picture of Christ

    Adam was the first man, the root or life-giver of the human race. Likewise, Jesus at his second advent will be the eternal life-giver of the human race.
  17. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    A new thread (Adam, a picture of Christ) reminded me of Romans 5:14 (MKJV): (14) But death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is the type of Him who was to come;
  18. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    You're repeating your misunderstanding of what I wrote, reading into it things I didn't write, and which I've already stated that I disagree with. I've simply stated how Adam may have reasoned and come to his decision to eat the forbidden fruit. I've not stated that it was the right thing to...
  19. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Just because someone commits a sin under the Law Covenant that God has declared should result in the death penalty, that does not mean that such sins cannot be forgiven as a result of Jesus' sacrifice. Any sin results in death ("the wages of sin is death") but "the free gift of God is eternal...
  20. keithr

    Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

    Jesus has never been God (almighty God, Yahweh, the Father) - he is God's only begotten son. He pre-existed as a god, but not as God Yahweh. Right - God sent Jesus into the world in human form. So you agree then that Jesus did exist as a spirit being before he came to earth as a man?