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    new version of OSAS?

    Not really, you just don't understand sound doctrine.
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    new version of OSAS?

    You don't have to interpret Paul's passage, it's a metaphor, not a parable, and it's instruction to the saints, not to the world. Can a saint loose salvation? But in answer to your question, the laborer in the field does the work of God, or he works for his belly. Those are the only 2 options...
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    new version of OSAS?

    And Galatians 5:1-4 doesn't say that you've lost your salvation either. You're reading into scripture, not drawing out of scripture. Our sin separates us from God, we loose fellowship with Him. The whole point of the epistle to the Galatians is correction and restoration to a right relationship...
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    new version of OSAS?

    God kills everyone. ‘Now see that I, even I, am He, And there is no God besides Me; I kill and I make alive; I wound and I heal; Nor is there any who can deliver from My hand. Deuteronomy 32:39 The Lord determines our length of days. You should know this if you've read through the entire bible...
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    new version of OSAS?

    37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. John 6:37 So what's your theory? Was Jesus confused or schizophrenic, or is it just that you don't understand the things you quote?
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    new version of OSAS?

    I forgot to mention that in scripture "cut off" means to die, but it doesn't mean to loose salvation. That's your lack of knowledge tripping you up. What's more, in scripture fire isn't always a reference to hell or damnation, but sometimes refer to cleansing. Read the bible a few times and get...
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    new version of OSAS?

    Great, wonderful, perfect, so what did Jesus mean: 28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” By the way would you be really disturbed if I told you that God...
  8. M

    new version of OSAS?

    Kinda sounds like an apostate response. Do you believe what Jesus said, or does your lack of an answer mean that you don't? By the way I'm not an OSASer, I'm a saint. You can call me saint Michael if you'd like. My appologies to the Archangel, but I find that hilarious, even if he is my namesake...
  9. M

    new version of OSAS?

    So you don't believe what Jesus said? 28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.” John 6:28-29
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    new version of OSAS?

    You guys do know that you can delete posts with a reason, right? This isn't messaging, its partially open forum, so you can take all the foolishness out of the argument and just leave the doctrinal positions. Thank God for delete buttons and thinking twice. But let him who glories glory in this...
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    new version of OSAS?

    No, James said that faith without works is dead. You're reading into scripture, not learning from it. Our relationship to God produces good works, our works don't produce our relationship. 12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my...
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    new version of OSAS?

    "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven." Was Jesus saying to do good works and make people think God was responsible for them? Is God a prankster? What does this verse mean? “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in...
  13. M

    new version of OSAS?

    There's no contradiction to the spiritual, but I trust that you believe in the Lord and in the resurrection. Ask the Lord to give you His Spirit according to His promise and I guarantee that He will show you why if you just ask Him to and continue reading His word.
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    new version of OSAS?

    It's a logical argument but just isn't entirely in agreement with scripture.
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    new version of OSAS?

    You've mixed metaphors here and ignored context. The wood, hay, stubble that Paul was referring to was works (the passage says so in context) not people and he was specifically addressing the church, not the world. Every offering is salted with fire (you can look that one up yourself). Fire is...
  16. M

    new version of OSAS?

    Well, not to make light of sin, it was Paul who said that there is sin leading to death and that not all sin leads to death. We didn't get a menu though.
  17. M

    new version of OSAS?

    No one over the age of two or three is innocent. As soon as we say "no" or "I didn't do it" when we really did, we've transgressed the commandment and are condemned by the law, but God's grace is greater than the law. I sympathize with you and your anger over false gospels and distortions that...
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    new version of OSAS?

    OSAS and NOSAS are just more labels like "calvinist", "preterist", etc. Such labels are characterizations that allow us to categorize a persons beliefs without actually knowing what they really are (because we already know by our biases) and disregard them without consideration. Arguments with...
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    new version of OSAS?

    Perception is a strange thing. When we see something, we aren't seeing all that exists in front of our eyes. When we hear, we aren't hearing all the sound entering our ears. Our senses only work in limited ranges but leave us with the illusion that we are totally aware of the world around us...
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    new version of OSAS?

    Yes and no, belief and trust are required but that also comes from the Lord. You've read the story of Gideon, the tests he placed upon God? We grow in belief and trust by His work in our lives. Election is election, God's choice, not our own. That's not a doctrine of men, but the plain teaching...