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So, are there people who are predestined, making sure they reach the door, so that they have the opportunity to go through it, who DO NOT use that opportunity to go through the door?

Which, again, was why I said "type". Anyway, we've discussed. If you had anything else you wanted to discuss (on the topic of the thread) go ahead.

Christianity is difficult to understand! LOL! Remember when Christ returns there is the fearful lazy servant--and Christ doesn't even correct him about his erroneous view (instead, He says, "You KNEW that I was an austere man..."), rather, the problem Christ has with him is that he wasn't...

It's a difference in emphasis, I think--but, obviously, that emphasis is a conclusion that is reached through precipitating theology, and those precipitating theologies also emphasize different truths, and there are many cases where neither side has satisfactory answers for the others'...

Understandable! lol

I was merely explaining the differences between the two--ie, that, contrary to what he was saying, he didn't have to subscribe to a "system" to qualify as a "Synergist type"--I didn't want to get in to that discussion. I'm aware there are different views on the topic--and no Synergist would say...

Yeah, or else he thought Christ, by that, had meant "Go into all the nations and teach the Jews who are dispersed/in diaspora among the nations." He didn't get it. He also didn't get that he wasn't under dietary restrictions. But it shows God's mercy and love toward us that God didn't just leave...

So, are there people who are predestined, making sure they reach their door, so that they have the opportunity to go through it, who DO NOT use that opportunity to go through the door?

Addendum: Paul refers to "the Israel of God" (over and against the "Israel" the Judaizers boast about being a part of--to which they are stringing the Gentiles along to make them join, lest the Gentiles should be "lessers"), and it is to this "Israel" that even the Gentile believers (also Jewish...

LOL I don't want to get into it. I was merely explaining the bottom line difference between Synergist and Monergist.

Nevertheless, it's tangential, and I don't want to open that can of worms--I was just helping you understand why I said "Monergist 'types'" answer the OP with ease, whereas "Synergist 'types'" come in defensively accusing me of holding to the "Monergist" view of "predestined".

I'm saying I do not know what "predestined" means in Paul's writings--and Paul doesn't treat "predestined" as you treat it, because he, in the same book, says those who have believed can be cut off for unbelief (Ro 11:17+). I'm collecting opinions on it to have a better understanding of it.

I think the bottom line of "Synergism" is an emphasis on the idea that we must do what God says--God can work in us, but without us doing those things, God will not do them, and we can fall away if we do not continue in faith and in good works; "Monergism" emphasizes God's side of things.

Unbelieving Israel is off on its own. It's one of the "goyim" right now. It's not His people. Just like any other unbelieving nation. Before, all nations were "goyim", because they were "Not My People". Now, they, too, are "Not My People". They have been "cut off from among their people", as the...

So, are there people who are predestined, making sure they reach their door, so that they have the opportunity to go through it, who DO NOT use that opportunity to go through the door?

I didn't mean "one on one" as if to say only @marks can answer here, but that each person seems to have their own views, so each person should answer for their own views, not for others', because they cannot know what the other person is thinking.

No, just that EACH PERSON has their own definition of "predestined", and I was asking him about HIS view, so no one else can give HIS answer for how he works HIS view out. You can answer for how YOU do it for YOU, though.

Right, not "the God of Israel", as if they were the only ones who were His people, his bride, but "the God of the whole earth", of ALL THE NATIONS He will be called their God, and they will be His people, to whom He will be "husband".

Yeah, that's why I said "Monergist 'types'"--not that they actually are Monergists, but, to Synergists, they are no different from Monergists. LOL

LOL Yeah, that's why I keep reminding you it is a tangent. Also, I know that, just as with the other issue, neither of us is going to change our minds, and I know I'm right, and I know you're going to ignore every piece of evidence I lay out (as you already have), so I'm not interested in...