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  1. GracePeace

    Did Jesus claim to be God?

    If you are interested in addressing it, then it is upon you to do the work. It is improper to ask me to do your work.
  2. GracePeace

    Did Jesus claim to be God?

    They were described before, so I will just quote what I already wrote:
  3. GracePeace

    Did Jesus claim to be God?

    Popcorn has carbs. No! LOL
  4. GracePeace

    Eat Christ's Flesh and Drink Christ's Blood

    Obviously, eating Christ's flesh and drinking Christ's blood is defined as receiving His Word... John 6 56“He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him." John 15 7“If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you..." ...but doesn't Christ define "eating His flesh and...
  5. GracePeace

    Did Jesus claim to be God?

    I read the OP but didn't see anything that would resolve these issues. Yeah, it's "mysterious", and there are reasons (eg, the aforementioned--there are others) why people struggle with accepting that "Jesus is God". He well may be, because there are arguments for that, as well, but it's not so...
  6. GracePeace

    Did Jesus claim to be God?

    I'm not 100% decided on this. Paul says Jesus is the visible image of the invisible God. Therefore, to see Christ is to see God. John says Isaiah's vision of God wasn't God but was Jesus. "No one has seen God", but lots of people saw Jesus. If Jesus was seen, but no one saw God, Jesus can't be...
  7. GracePeace

    What Is "Predestination"? How Does It Shape Your Daily Life?

    So, are there people who are predestined, making sure they reach their door, so that they have the opportunity to go through it, who DO NOT use that opportunity to go through the door?
  8. GracePeace

    What Is "Predestination"? How Does It Shape Your Daily Life?

    I don't think you follow the grammar closely enough--but again I want this part of the conversation to come to an end. We are beating a dead horse. You have made your mind up. Good. Stay that way. I'm not interested in exerting any more effort.
  9. GracePeace

    What Is "Predestination"? How Does It Shape Your Daily Life?

    Yep. That's basically my argument. LOL
  10. GracePeace

    What Is "Predestination"? How Does It Shape Your Daily Life?

    No, I think because I said I believe there are two Israels (and, actually, Christian apologists cannot win arguments against Jews on Isaiah 53 without that concept), you thought that I was saying the Church took the place of Israel and that God was done with Israel.
  11. GracePeace

    What Is "Predestination"? How Does It Shape Your Daily Life?

    I'm not sure how it's going to work out, but the mainstream reading of Romans 11, and what seems reasonable, is that the Jews will once again be God's people/married to God, which actually goes back to Hosea 1.
  12. GracePeace

    What Is "Predestination"? How Does It Shape Your Daily Life?

    Again, for you, the language of Christ being husband, and the Church being his bone and flesh, his wife (as husbands are to consider their wives their own bodies--"no one hated his own body"), is all just a "coincidence"--nonsense, of course. Anyway, you're not going to come around to the...
  13. GracePeace

    What Is "Predestination"? How Does It Shape Your Daily Life?

    No, you're attacking a strawman. I guess you've been in this discussion so many times before that you assume things. I never said the Church (which includes lots of believing Jews) was Israel--Romans 11 refers to unbelieving Israel being "blinded", so why would I want the Church to be that...
  14. GracePeace

    What Is "Predestination"? How Does It Shape Your Daily Life?

    Also... Deuteronomy 32 21‘They have made Me jealous with what is not God; They have provoked Me to anger with their idols. So I will make them jealous with those who are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation, ...is emptied of its meaning. God's people had made Him...
  15. GracePeace

    What Is "Predestination"? How Does It Shape Your Daily Life?

    It's not ambiguous. How about "You are children of the LORD your God" (Dt 14:1)? God related to His people, Israel, as Father. When they became "Not My People", they were no longer His children (Hos 1). Another way He related to His people, Israel, was Husband. So, does God just arbitrarily...
  16. GracePeace

    What Is "Predestination"? How Does It Shape Your Daily Life?

    I say this because Paul talks about having been chosen in Christ before the foundation of the earth, etc, yet he also says that people can fall away (eg, Ro 11:17). which might mean that IF someone remains in Christ, through faith and then walking in faith (Christ is "God Is Our Righteousness"...
  17. GracePeace

    What Is "Predestination"? How Does It Shape Your Daily Life?

    Yeah, I saw it. I thought it was answered handily.
  18. GracePeace

    What Is "Predestination"? How Does It Shape Your Daily Life?

    Says who? For you, then, all this language about Christ being the husband, and the Church being Christ's bone and flesh (as Eve was Adam's flesh and bone--and don't forget Christ is the "Last Adam", which would make the Church the "Last Eve", and the Church is explicitly compared to Eve) is all...
  19. GracePeace

    What Is "Predestination"? How Does It Shape Your Daily Life?

    Think of that phrase "God's faithfulness": untethered to a Word, without a referent, it is meaningless. "God's faithfulness"... to what? To do what? About what? I'm filling in the blank with doctrines from John's Gospel.
  20. GracePeace

    What Is "Predestination"? How Does It Shape Your Daily Life?

    Yeah, I can't reconcile what Paul says with what Paul says, but I know Jesus says "You have been with Me since the beginning" (Jn 15:27)--trusting Him means I trust that, too. I don't have to wonder about it if He said it. It just is the case. If I'm His disciple, it's incumbent upon me to...