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I don't know how to respond to this. Are you suggesting that those who know God experientially understand the Bible to be impure???

Michael, I appreciate your open and honest response. I am very glad to hear about how you came to the Lord and your commitment to studying the Scriptures. I'll just briefly respond to some of your comments, but I want you to know that I am not in any way angry when I write. I hope you do not...

Don't worry, I dont take this personally. Its an intriguing study. Pseudo-Ephriam is a very late (post 8th century) Latin text. Moreover, not only is it likely not in any way connected to Ephraim, but the translation is in question regarding what it actually teaches. It is a very problematic...

Thank you Lord! Yeah, well based on how we have differed thus far on interpretation... I don't think that's very helpful. Sigh... yes, yes...once again you're the spiritual one and I'm the infant spouting religious secularism.... I think you have established that already. Yes, so can I...

Well, I cannot help it if you are going to critique me for a statement I made to someone else without understanding our discussion. You keep offering all kinds of argument, but zero substantiation. I can show you historical references to show that no one in "the Church" has ever taught this...

Veteran, I said that no Christian prior to the 1800s every believed that. Then I clarified (because of your objection that I couldnt possibly know what every Christian in history believed) to say that we have no recorded teaching of anyone ever believing that. Please take my words in context...

Excuse me.... no Christian leader, teacher or writer in recorded Christian history every had such dispensational beliefs about these promises applying to national Israel.

Yes I agree the Scriptures testify to Jesus and that Jesus alone gives life and salvation. The Scriptures are inspired and testify to this fact. That is altogether different than saying that the Scriptures are a puzzle that God keeps locked from people unless Jesus decides to unlock them so...

Sanhedrin, I believe the Scriptures are inspired and therefore are powerful in themselves because they are the Words of God. I do not believe we need Jesus to unlock them for us as that renders inspiration meaningless. They are powerful because they are true and inspired and therefore should...

Veteran, The straw men have all toppled over, but lets look at what I actually said and the point of this thread. 1. I said there is only one word for "rapture" regarding the 2nd coming. I agree that it means to seize, or be caught up. The idea of the secret "rapture" many talk about today...

Well its nice to hear that at least there is some agreement and that you haven't assigned me to the pit of burning sulpher. :) I'm not sure what you mean when you say the only way to study God's Word is "line upon line." You should elaborate on that. What do you mean I am spouting...

Angelina, I am not talking about Pentecostal holiness. I'm talking about the Holiness tradition started by John Wesley which includes groups like Methodists, Wesleyans, Nazarenes, and some Charismatic groups. The Holiness tradition does believe in the Trinity. I think the difference with...

I'm a big fan of the ESV. The only reason I don't quote from it exclusively is because the NIV is so popular! Grrr!

Michael, Thanks for responding. Sometimes it takes some bitterness and challenges to what is comfortable for people to enable them to repent and turn to The Lord ;) Even Wormwood had a redemptive purpose. If I am being obtuse, then the entire church for 1800 years must have been obtuse as...

Pilgrimer, Thanks for responding. I think you are discounting the fact that there are two historical contexts at play here. First, there is the historical context of Jesus speaking to his disciples. Then, there is the historical context of Matthew writing to his listeners and their...

Veteran, I do not think you understood at all what I wrote. I am not at all secularist...quite the opposite. Personally, I think there is no such thing as secularism from a Biblical point of view. Anyways, I thought I was very specific that the contents of the Bible are true. I never said...

"No, the types were revelations of the person of Jesus, before He was born to human flesh, though writers sometimes use them in reference to Jesus to make a point. Jesus said, You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me. John...

In this thread we are going to focus on two overlapping concepts: the covenant relationships in the Bible and how to understand the message of various books in the Bible as literary works. First, the latter needs to be flushed out in my opinion before a proper understanding of the former can...

Hey, I am going to start another thread because I think some of these ideas we are discussing need to be flushed out. However, they dont really have much to do with "The Man of Lawlessness." Feel free to post on this thread again if you want to discuss more the 2 Thess 2 passage. The new...