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  1. Wormwood

    Universal Reconciliation

    Jiggy, First, of all, the phrase is not aion. It is aionias aionian. Yes, it can be translated "age." However, even this translations carries the concept of eternity when it is talking about the "age" to come. Yet, we see in many contexts in both biblical and extra biblical literature that...
  2. Wormwood

    Universal Reconciliation

    How is "forever and ever" mistranslated? The phrase is eis aionias aionion which means "into ages of ages" or into eterinity of eternities. Not really a mistranslation there. Now it could be argued that this is dealing with an eternal reminder of the annihilation of the wicked, but I dont...
  3. Wormwood

    Really? REALLY?!?

    You should start a new thread if you are going to discuss universalism. That way if others want to join in the discussion they can see it in the lists of topics.
  4. Wormwood

    Covenant Relationships & the Bible as Literature

    They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they...
  5. Wormwood

    Covenant Relationships & the Bible as Literature

    Yes, I understand that is what you think. But that does not make it so. Revelation says he is bound in chains so he cannot deceive the nations any longer. It does not say that he is bound in chains so that evil can be squelched, Israel can be exalted, or any of the things you cite in Zech 14...
  6. Wormwood

    If no Rapture - then what ?

    Very disappointing. After such a well thought out response in the other forum, you go back to your ravings and name-calling here. I had hoped things were going to change. I wont have this conversation with you as long as you write like this. You keep talking about knowing the Word and having...
  7. Wormwood

    Covenant Relationships & the Bible as Literature

    Veteran, Let me just say I appreciate your response in dealing with the text. We may disagree at points but I think we both have the same hope. Thanks for discussing this with me. I agree that Satan is still active in the world. However, against the Christian and the Gospel, his is bound...
  8. Wormwood

    If no Rapture - then what ?

    Then you tell me why Jesus said they should pray their flight is not on the Sabbath if he is referring to the 7 year tribulation. This is a non-response. You haven't quoted one source from anywhere, let alone reading through the early Church fathers. When did I say it impossible to know about...
  9. Wormwood

    Covenant Relationships & the Bible as Literature

    I referenced the history of Amillennialism in a different post for you veteran, so I wont belabor the point. As for your points... 1. Satan is bound - (Matt. 16:19; Matt. 12:29; 1 Jn. 3:8). 2. The Gospel message is unbound and frees all who respond. (Col. 1:23; Eph 5:14). 3. Those who...
  10. Wormwood

    If no Rapture - then what ?

    Yes, lets stay in God's word shall we. I'm sure the way you interpreted the wineskins in reference to my hermeneutical skills was exactly the application Jesus had in mind. No, but I'd like to prevent against the falsehood that Jesus was speaking about the "Great 7 year Tribulation" you have...
  11. Wormwood

    If no Rapture - then what ?

    Michael, I'm glad to hear of your excitement about the Word and they way you ponder it in you heart and mind both day and night. I agree that there is a strong correlation between the judgments in Revelation and the judgments in Exodus. Is that reference in Exodus a foreshadowing of the...
  12. Wormwood

    Rule Of Life Ruled Out

    Chaplain, I agree that Christians should not be under law. However, does a "Rule of Life" equate to legalism? I don't think this is the case. Most Christians who strive to incorporate such a "rule" or practice of certain spiritual disciplines do not do so out of a sense of legal obligation...
  13. Wormwood

    Covenant Relationships & the Bible as Literature

    Yes, most early Christians were premillennial. But they were not dispensational. What they believed is known as historic premillennialism, which is very similar to amillennialism with the exception that they believed in a literal 1,000 year reign. However, their views resemble nothing of...
  14. Wormwood

    If no Rapture - then what ?

    It would help me, veteran, to know what you believe if you would actually explain yourself and your views rather than claiming those who disagree with you are blind, in denial, or are old wineskins...etc. If you would like to explain, Id be happy to listen. Your final claim is a bit of a...
  15. Wormwood

    Covenant Relationships & the Bible as Literature

    No, not every reference. But certainly the ones that explicitly focus on final judgment that assigns the fate of individuals based on their works and the appearing of the glorified Christ with the heavenly host. Yes, he is discussing spiritual discernment. But the "us" and the "you"...
  16. Wormwood

    Covenant Relationships & the Bible as Literature

    As I have told you before, what I believe is far closer to what the church has believed throughout history regarding the end times. What you are claiming has never been something the church taught until the 1800's. So if I am spouting "man's doctrines" as a old wineskin, then the entire church...
  17. Wormwood

    If no Rapture - then what ?

    Im not disregarding any part of the Scripture. Rather, I see these promises being fulfilled in the Church. If you recall, the Church is "true Israel" and Gentiles are grafted into Israel and are Abraham's seed. You are the one trying to make the flesh more significant than the faith. Hence...
  18. Wormwood

    If no Rapture - then what ?

    Michael, I never said the Holy Spirit is not active when reading and studying the Word. I said he does not implant divinely inspired interpretations. Big difference. I never said I was a cessationist. However, I would disagree that you have to believe in such manifestations to experience...
  19. Wormwood

    Covenant Relationships & the Bible as Literature

    Pilgrimer, Thanks for your response and I hope you have safe travels to Dallas and back. The "we" in this context is talking about the Apostles. Look at 4:1ff "So then, men ought to regard us as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the secret things of God. 2 Now it is required...
  20. Wormwood

    Biblical and Godlical Christians

    Mungo - The Church is built on the foundation of the Apostles and prophets (i.e. their teachings) which are recorded in the Bible. Jesus did not build his Church on a hierarchical system, but on a knowledge of the Truth which is contained and preserved in the Bible. (In my opinion)