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    The problem of bifurcating truth.

    When you say "all Israel is saved as a nation" are you saying that the nation of Israel, whether of faith or in unbelief, shall continue to exist as a physical nation upon the earth to the last trumpet sounding?
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    The problem of bifurcating truth.

    Randy don't state what you think Amillennialism doctrine is. I know MANY Amillennialists, including myself, and not ONE of them believe or teach that the Christian Church rejected or even replaced the nation of Israel. Amillennialism in fact believes that faithful Israel together with faithful...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    I agree with most of what you've written here. But you have not shown why the words of Christ do not have a dual fulfillment through redemptive history. Both spiritual fulfillment through the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ, and a literal physical fulfillment when both Jerusalem, the...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    It seems that Paul saw a need to continue to observe the Old ceremonial Law for the benefit of bringing fellow Jews to the Lord. Acts 18:21 (KJV) But bade them farewell, saying, I [Paul] must by all means keep this feast that cometh in Jerusalem: but I will return again unto you, if God...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Spiritually speaking the Old was destroyed through the cross and resurrection of Christ. However, the Old Covenant people that lived on the earth at a time when two opposing Covenants had come to this earth did not have spiritual discernment. The Covenant people of Old were not destroyed by...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    I agree, but when asking about Jerusalem and the Temple buildings, the disciples were pointing to physical structures, and the reply Christ gave was that they would all be literally destroyed. We know the spiritual temple, Christ, was destroyed and in three days was raised up again just as the...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    While I'm fully in support of the spiritual fulfillment as you've laid out here, I also believe that when asked about the building and temple the words Christ spoke to His first century disciples were literally fulfilled when the Roman Army sacked the city and burned down the buildings in the...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Let's start here. According to Rev 12 the war in heaven between Michael and his angles and Satan and his angels took place when Christ was born. Satan and his angels (demonic hosts) were cast out of heaven and to the earth then. But you say Satan and his angels are not now kicked out of...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    EXACTLY! Lifted up above the earth on the water that was still on the earth! It does not say it (ark & water) was lifted up OFF the earth! Genesis 7:18-23 (KJV) And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters. And the waters...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Have you no ability to reason/think? What do you think "FAITHFUL JEWS" means? These 144,000 of Old are JEWS WHO BELIEVED MESSIAH WOULD COME...hench that makes them Messianic believers who were Jews. Messianic means Messiah! It doesn't matter what ethnic nation one is from, IN CHRIST there is...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    THINK! If the 144,000 are not faithful Jews who died believing Messiah would come to redeem them, they would NOT be sealed! Only the faithful are sealed by the Spirit, and it has absolutely nothing to do with ethnicity, but is according to faith. Jesus is the firstfruits! His spirit is...
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    RESURRECTION = Matthew 22;30-32

    Excellent passages from Scripture! Did you know some of these verses are depicting the "first resurrection" as well as the physical resurrection that shall be in an hour that is coming when ALL that are in the graves shall hear His voice and come forth for either resurrection to everlasting...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Tell that to the MANY martyrs for their faith! I don't believe you even know what "great tribulation" is???
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Anyone reading Scripture understands well the Church indeed does suffer through great tribulation and affliction in this world. There has never been a time when the Church has not suffered spiritual and physical "great tribulation" in this world. The Old Covenant nation, the chosen people of...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Yes, I agree! This time referenced in Scripture a thousand years that began with Christ coming to earth a man, and will end when this time given this earth shall be no longer. Then the age of new heaven and new earth shall begin for only immortality and incorruption. All things shall be made...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Redemptive history written in the Words of God proves that which spews out of the mouth of Satan began after the baptism of Christ, when the Spirit of God descended upon Him. Immediately after that, Satan began to spew from his mouth lies trying to tempt Christ to worship him. The war against...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    The fire of God's wrath is not baptism of fire. It's called destruction by fire, and you do err greatly if you think God's wrath by fire shall not destroy whosoever and whatsoever is left alive on earth at that time. Baptism of fire that does not destroy human beings, is baptism of the Holy...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    The flood of water in the days of Noah, I think we agree, was literally water that covered the surface of the earth. The flood I'm asking about is the flood that comes after the woman in Rev 12, from the mouth of the dragon. What is you understanding of the flood coming at the woman (Church)...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    The ark did NOT leave the EARTH! When we are caught up to meet the Lord in the air, we shall leave this earth! I agree at that time we shall not go to heaven. I'm really not sure where in the air we shall be, but I imagine we will only be there long enough for this earth and all left alive on...