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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    The ark was not lifted FROM the earth! It never left the earth that was flooded by water. Do you believe ships that sail upon the seas leave the earth when they are water bound? Of course not! The ark was a type of Christ saving them BY/THROUGH water. Just as Christ is not literally an ark...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    I agree, when believers physically die we shall not be RESURRECTED a spiritual body in heaven. Our spirit, possessing eternal life through His Spirit in us will leave our deceased physical body to ascend a spiritual body of believers in heaven. Where we shall be until the last trumpet sounds...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    I don't believe I'm missing biblical typology at all. The ark and those kept safe in it were the exceptions of the utter destruction of all that remained on the earth and perished by the water. The flood came and took all who remained outside the ark away. Not because the ark was lifted up...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Do you believe it was or shall be a literal flood of water?
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    I'm confused by comments like this? Why do you speak as though Noah and family in the ark were "lifted up out of the world"? The ark wasn't lifted up out of the world, because the ark kept them safe from the water that covered the earth. If the water was on the earth, the ark and all who were...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    It is those words of adoration for the Temple and buildings that help me to understand when Christ warns His disciples of the coming "great tribulation" He was speaking of both the destruction of the city and Temple, as well as "great tribulation" that is ordained to them and whosoever in Christ...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    If "great tribulation" has not already been the fate for Christ's body; the Church/Christians, how do you explain "great tribulation" that has been, is, and shall always be the lot in life for people of faith? Has there ever been any other entity upon the earth to have suffered more than the...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    I believe the wrath of God that came against the apostate nation was spoken by Christ as being "great tribulation" for the Jewish nation even as it would be for the Church. That wasn't the same kind of "great tribulation" that would come against the Church as the Gospel is proclaimed unto all...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    This is a continuation of my previous unfinished reply. Why do you say the physically dead are the firstfruits, when Paul has twice shown Christ is the firstfruits of the physically dead? The dead are not raptured when Christ comes again. They are physically resurrected immortal and...
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    Was Satan evil in Job 1:7?

    There is not controversy here. Gen 1 shows the creation of all that God created. Then Gen 2 is a recapitulation focusing on what became of Adam and his progeny as the "generations" proceed from him. Genesis 2:4-5 (KJV) These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they...
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    Was Satan evil in Job 1:7?

    And where or from whom did this Greek text Codex Sinaiticus originate from?
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Thank you for supplying Scripture. Now we can discuss how or why we discern particular passages. The verse from 1Cor 15 tells us Christ is the firstfruits of those who have died. In context Paul says again that Christ is the firstfruits of the dead. Paul is referring back to what he had...
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    Was Satan evil in Job 1:7?

    How do you or anyone else know what is original, since the original no longer exists? All we have is translations from other translations. So it becomes a matter of faith. Because God has promised His words shall never pass away, that we would always have, in spite of the plethora of...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Another display of whimsical imagination!! The Bible never speaks of Noah being carried on the ark "high into the sky"!!!
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    No you TWIST the Word of God to try and force fit it to your imagined biblical doctrine. That's why I would like to know what verses you've twisted to fit this absurd opinion that the rapture has already occurred for 144,000 saints????
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    They were not raptured to heaven. They, as spiritual body of believers ascended to heaven as living souls without physical body after the resurrection of Christ. Scripture tells us faithful saints who had died before Christ lived and died were captives in the grave until Christ descended down...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    If you expect me or anyone to agree with your opinions, you're going to have to prove what you allege! I'm really not interested in what you think is truth, but what you can prove to be truth.
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    Was Satan evil in Job 1:7?

    Scripture also says humankind (man) came from the one man & woman; Adam and Eve. Humanity had to have a beginning.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    What is SMH???
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    The kingdom of God is in the MIDST of you

    Those who have physically died are a spiritual body of believers in heaven. And those who are still gathering together physically alive are a body of believers on the earth, called "His Church".